Arhaus (NASDAQ: ARHS), a premium home furnishings retailer, reported its third-quarter earnings for 2024, revealing a net revenue of $319 million, net income of $10 million, and adjusted EBITDA of $23 million.
However, the company experienced a 9.2% decline in comparable sales. Despite this, Arhaus saw a record month in September, with a 10% increase in demand compared to the previous year.
Amidst ongoing macroeconomic pressures, Arhaus has revised its full-year revenue forecast down to between $1.23 billion and $1.25 billion.
The company also announced strategic investments to enhance operational efficiencies and continued expansion with the opening of five new traditional showrooms, increasing the total to 85.
Key Takeaways
- Arhaus reported a decline in comparable sales by 9.2% in Q3 2024 but saw a 10% increase in demand in September.
- The company has lowered its full-year revenue forecast to $1.23 billion - $1.25 billion due to macroeconomic pressures.
- Arhaus plans to open five new showrooms, totaling 85, and invest in infrastructure to improve efficiencies.
- The company remains debt-free, which is seen as a competitive advantage.
- Ongoing construction costs for new showrooms and previous backlog effects are expected to pressure gross margins in Q4.
Company Outlook
- Full-year revenue projections have been adjusted to reflect current economic challenges.
- Arhaus is committed to its growth strategy, focusing on product assortment, showroom expansion, and brand awareness.
- The company plans to invest $15 million to $20 million in strategic initiatives in 2025, not incremental to the $10 million budgeted for 2024.
Bearish Highlights
- Comparable sales saw a decline in October following a surge in September.
- Gross margins may face pressure from construction costs and backlog effects in Q4.
- There was a noted decline in customer traffic and high-value orders in Q3, although average order value increased.
Bullish Highlights
- September marked a record month with a 10% increase in demand year-over-year.
- The company's debt-free balance sheet is considered a strong competitive advantage.
- New showroom cohorts from 2022 to 2024 are performing well, encouraging further expansion.
Misses
- The company acknowledged challenges in demand, particularly in July and August, due to tough year-over-year comparisons and a lack of promotional activity.
Q&A Highlights
- Management addressed sourcing concerns, reducing reliance on China and diversifying to other countries like Mexico and Europe.
- Executives are cautiously optimistic about Q4 trends but remain conservative in their outlook.
- The company highlighted the success of its interior design services and trade business, which contribute to larger sales.
Arhaus's commitment to growth amid economic headwinds was evident throughout the earnings call. The company's strategies include investing in infrastructure and expanding its showroom footprint while maintaining a unique product assortment.
Despite a decline in comparable sales, Arhaus's record demand in September and its debt-free status provide a solid foundation as it navigates the current macroeconomic climate.
The company's proactive measures in diversifying its supply chain and its focus on innovation and market adaptation signal a cautious yet optimistic outlook for the future.
InvestingPro Insights
Arhaus (NASDAQ: ARHS) continues to navigate a challenging market environment, as reflected in its recent earnings report. InvestingPro data provides additional context to the company's financial performance and market position.
Despite the reported decline in comparable sales, Arhaus maintains a market capitalization of $1.36 billion, underscoring its significant presence in the premium home furnishings sector. The company's P/E ratio of 17.29 suggests that investors are still pricing in growth expectations, albeit more conservatively than in the past.
InvestingPro Tips highlight some key aspects of Arhaus's current situation. Notably, the stock has experienced significant volatility, with a substantial return of 13.08% over the last week, contrasting sharply with a 40.69% decline over the past six months. This volatility aligns with the company's reported fluctuations in demand and the revised revenue forecast.
The company's profitability over the last twelve months, as noted in the InvestingPro Tips, supports management's assertion of a strong financial foundation. However, the expectation that net income will drop this year corroborates the challenges mentioned in the earnings report, including ongoing macroeconomic pressures and potential margin compression.
Arhaus's decision not to pay dividends, as indicated by InvestingPro, aligns with its strategy to reinvest in growth initiatives, such as the planned showroom expansions and infrastructure improvements mentioned in the earnings call.
For investors seeking a more comprehensive analysis, InvestingPro offers 11 additional tips that could provide deeper insights into Arhaus's financial health and market position.
Full transcript - Arhaus Inc (NASDAQ:ARHS) Q3 2024:
Operator: Good morning, and welcome to the Arhaus Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal remarks. Please note that this call is being recorded, and the reproduction of any part of this call is not permitted without written authorization from the company. I will now turn the call over to your host, John Reed, Co-Founder, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead.
John Reed: Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Arhaus Third Quarter Conference Call. On with me today are Dawn Phillipson, Chief Financial Officer; and Tara Atwood, our new Vice President of Investor Relations. Tara is a seasoned Investor Relations professional, and we are excited to welcome her to the Arhaus team. Now I'll hand it over to Tara.
Tara Atwood: Good morning, and thank you for joining the Arhaus Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. After our prepared remarks, we will be joined by Jen Porter, our Chief Marketing and e-commerce Officer, for the Q&A session. During Q&A, please limit to one question and one follow-up. We issued our earnings press release and our 10-Q for the quarter ended September 30, 2024, before market opened today. Those documents are available on our Investor Relations website at ir.arhaus.com. A replay of the call will be available on our website within 24 hours. As a reminder, remarks today concerning future expectations, events, objectives, strategies, trends or results constitute forward-looking statements. Actual results or events may differ materially due to a number of risks and uncertainties. For a summary of these risk factors and additional information, please refer to this morning's press release and the cautionary statements and risk factors described in our most recent annual report on Form 10-K and subsequent 10-Qs as such factors may be updated from time to time in our filings with the SEC. The forward-looking statements are made as of today's date, and except as may be required by law. The company undertakes no obligation to update or revise these statements. We will also refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures, and this morning's press release includes the relevant non-GAAP reconciliations. Now I will turn the call back over to John.
John Reed: Thanks, Tara. I'd like to begin the call by expressing my gratitude to our team with their exceptional execution this quarter. Our long-term success is driven by their dedication to delivering outstanding products and creating an inspiring showroom experience. This quarter, we launched some of the most compelling new product collections in Arhaus history. Thoughtfully presented across our showrooms to elevate the client experience. A highlight of our fall product launch is the Astor Collection, which builds on our leadership and read designed and commitment to artisan craftsmanship. This collection combines globally sourced materials and sophisticated elements making each piece both functional and beautiful tempted from solid Oak with natural stone tops, the Astor collection has beautiful brown Expresso Marble chosen for its rich tone and stunning movement. Our fall launch also includes elegant curved upholstery selections and unique collectible pieces that can define a home. Moving to our quarterly performance. In the third quarter, we delivered a net revenue of $319 million, net income of $10 million and adjusted EBITDA of $23 million. During the quarter, we experienced a decline in demand comparable growth of 11.3%. However, demand trends improved meaningfully as the quarter progressed. In September, we recorded a low single-digit decline in demand, comparable growth following high teens and mid-teens declined in July and August, respectively. Notably, September set a new record as the biggest total demand month in the Arhaus history, up 10% compared to last year's strong comparable period. This performance was supported by our annual storewide sale held each January and September to coincide with our spring and fall launches. This promotion was well received by clients, and we continue to leverage our Arhaus marketing campaigns to drive engagement around these key launches. In October, our demand-comparable growth declined in the low single digits. As the consumer environment remains pressured, however, total demand was up nearly double digits as our brand continues to resonate with clients despite ongoing macro pressures. While demand trends improved over the course of the third quarter, we're lowering our full-year sales and earnings outlook to reflect the continued tempered consumer environment, which we believe is temporary given our innovative product offerings and compelling marketing campaigns. Dawn will discuss the details later on the call. Despite these headwinds, we remain fully committed to our long-term growth strategy and the fundamentals of our business. Our key growth drivers include: first, enhancing and elevating our product assortment, which is essential for exceeding client expectations and reinforcing our leadership in premium artisan-crafted home furnishings. Second, expanding our showroom base to bring the Arhaus experience to more clients in key markets; third, increasing our brand awareness which will deepen our relationships with both new and existing clients. And finally, we are making strategic investments to upgrade our infrastructure and improve our business tools, ensuring we have a strong foundation to support our long-term growth. Turning to our showrooms. We are on track to meet the high end of our 2024 showroom opening goals with 10 new showrooms already opened this year and additional opening tomorrow in Corte Madera, California. The Corte Madera showroom will be our 14th location in California as part of our ongoing West Coast expansion. This year, we expect to open five new traditional showrooms, bringing our total to 85 traditional showrooms at the end of the year, just halfway to our target of 165 traditional showrooms. In addition, we opened three new design studios and three Arhaus Loft outlet locations this year. As I mentioned in past calls, we continue to be pleased with our performance and economics of our new showrooms in all formats. We're proud to have grown our total showroom count to now 103 as of tomorrow. Moving to product. We believe our house leads the industry in setting design trends, often seen them before they emerge. As I mentioned earlier, we're excited about the new fall collection, which launched in the third quarter. We encourage you to experience the design, quality and aesthetic appeal of our furnishings in decor, whether in our showrooms or on our website or looking on our catalogs. And we're already hard at work on the upcoming spring launch just 2 months away. Note highlights include expanding our motions selection within the upholstery collections. We've been in the motion business for some time now, and we're thrilled to see the continued growth of our merchandise assortment with these offerings. Additionally, we're introducing exotic wood collections across bedroom, well, dining, adding distinctive character enriches to our product line. On the strategic investment front, as we previously communicated, we are setting the foundations for our long-term growth by improving operational efficiencies with upgraded infrastructure, technology and processes. We are pleased to have implemented our new warehouse management system and are now focusing on the design and build phases of our new planning system and the new ERP at our upholstery manufacturing facility. We expect these systems to be implemented in 2025. As a reminder, the planning system will help optimize our inventory purchases and forecasting capabilities and the new ERP and our upholstery factory facility will improve margin visibility and production capabilities. Before I turn it over to Dawn to discuss our financial results and outlook for the remainder of 2024, I want to, again, thank the Arhaus team for their hard work and dedication. Our long-term success is driven by our team's dedication to delivering the best products and inspiring showroom experience. Their ongoing commitment highlights the resilience of our growth strategy and our commitment to creating value for our shareholders. Over to you, Dawn.
Dawn Phillipson: Thank you, and good morning. Net revenue in the third quarter was $319 million with a 9.2% comp decline. The decrease in net revenue compared to the prior year was primarily related to the non-recurrence of prior year abnormal backlog deliveries and lower total demand in the quarter. As John mentioned earlier, our demand comp declined 11.3% in the quarter, with September's demand comps improving meaningfully to decline low single digits from July's high-teen and August mid-teen declines. Our third quarter gross margin decreased to $123 million, driven primarily by lower net revenue and higher Showroom costs as we continue to expand our footprint. Gross margin as a percent of net revenue decreased to 38.6% driven primarily by higher Showroom costs, higher delivery and transportation costs and deleverage on lower net revenue. Third quarter SG&A expense increased $5 million to $112 million primarily driven by legal costs, marketing investments and strategic investments to support and drive the growth of the business, including supply chain and technology improvement. This was partially offset by the nonrecurrence of last year's donation to the Nature Conservancy. Third quarter 2024 net income was $10 million. Adjusted EBITDA in the quarter was $23 million versus $34 million in the third quarter of 2023. Third quarter net revenue of $319 million and adjusted EBITDA of $23 million resulted in a 7.2% adjusted EBITDA margin in the quarter. As we reported this morning, we are lowering our full year outlook for 2024. As a reminder, we experienced softening demand comps starting in May with the negative trend accelerating into July and August. In September, we experienced sequential improvement with the demand comp decline in the low single digits as clients responded well to our product assortment, marketing and planned promotions. As we mentioned last quarter, we believe the softer demand comps we're experiencing are a reflection of the continued pullback by the home furnishings consumer that is now starting to impact our business, as well as the lapping of strong demand from last year related to the price action SKUs in the second half of 2023. For the year, we now expect net revenue in the range of $1.23 billion to $1.25 billion and adjusted EBITDA in the range of $115 million to $125 million. As the midpoint of our range implies, we expect net revenue to decline approximately 4% for the year as we lapped the delivery of $75 million in abnormal backlog that occurred in 2023 and we expect a negative demand comp for the year. In the fourth quarter of 2024, we anticipate net revenue in the range of $306 million to $326 million and adjusted EBITDA in the range of $23 million to $33 million. Our outlook contemplates a low double-digit demand comp decline for the fourth quarter. We remain focused on current demand trends and gross margin, and our outlook allows for continued flexibility around promotions for the balance of the year. We previously communicated the expectation to invest $10 million to $15 million in strategic investments this year. We now expect to invest approximately $10 million in strategic investments in 2024 and with about 80% in SG&A and 20% in gross margin. These initiatives include investments in systems, e-commerce, client experience and other corporate investments to support and drive the growth of the business. In 2025, we expect to spend approximately $15 million to $20 million in strategic investments, including the subscription fees for system enhancements deployed in 2024. For all other details related to our 2024 outlook, please refer to our press release. In closing, I want to reiterate our strong commitment to our growth strategy despite the current macro challenges. Our debt-free balance sheet is a meaningful competitive advantage that allows us to make the responsible investments to build on our share gains in the highly fragmented $100 billion premium home furniture market. We continue to navigate the current environment from a position of strength, and we believe we are well-positioned to maintain our client-first service and drive value for all stakeholders. This concludes our prepared remarks. With that, I'd like to thank you for joining us this morning, and we are happy to take your questions.
Operator: [Operator Instructions]. The first question comes from the line of Steven Forbes with Guggenheim Securities.
Steven Forbes: Good morning, John, Dawn, Jen.
John Reed: Good morning, Steven.
Steven Forbes: Yes, thanks, John. To start with the new showroom performance. Curious if you could expand on how the more recent store cohorts, right, the 2022, ‘3 and ‘4 store cohorts are performing relative to the internal pro forma model and how the current environment or performance of those stores are impacting your 2025 real estate plans.
John Reed: Sure. Yes, we've been thrilled with the new stores. They have opened very solid. They seem to be growing. Some of them super home runs that really surprised us. Other ones have been very steady right on projections. So yes, we're happy with that. And as far as probably looking into the future, we're sticking with our plan. We've got a lot of runway to do. A lot of great real estate we're working on currently. Ad not only are we doing a lot of looking at new locations and so forth, but we're also going back and moving existing stores that maybe have become dated and so forth into better, bigger locations. As a matter of fact, we're opening one of those tomorrow as well in Fairfax (TSX:FFH), Virginia. A story we've had for best 15 years or so in a location. We're moving it to a freestanding building, 2 stories. It's absolutely stunning. I just toured it yesterday. And it's going to be a huge, huge success. So, we like doing both, keeping our current format a very, very fresh, sort of relevant and cutting-edge and then looking at all the new locations around the country that we're very excited about as well.
Steven Forbes: Appreciate that. And then maybe just a quick follow-up for Dawn. The $15 million to $25 million of strategic investment spend for next year, is that in addition to the $10 million? So, $15 million to $25 million on top of $10 million, so a run rate of $25 million to $35 million? Or is that -- should we look at that sort of as more of an increment of $5 million to $15 million?
Dawn Phillipson: Great question, Steve. So, it is the total strategic investment spend for next year will be $15 million to $20 million. So not incremental to the $10 million that is being spent in 2024. So, we tried to provide a comprehensive number for modeling corporal.
Operator: Next (LON:NXT) question comes from the line of Jeremy Hamblin with Craig-Hallum. Please go ahead.
Jeremy Hamblin: Thanks for taking my question. And just a quick follow-up in terms of thinking about the kind of the investments that are being made and the systems changes. I wanted to get a better sense of the timing of each of the different systems components that you're going to be touching here, both FY '25 into FY '26? And then in terms of -- I wasn't sure if it was $15 million to $25 million or $15 million to $20 million of spend? And how much of that was really kind of staffing requirements that you need or support teams versus kind of the software licensing fees and et cetera?
Dawn Phillipson: Yes, great question. So, lots of moving pieces here. I'll try to answer all of them, but certainly, let me know if I missed something. So, with the planning software that is well underway with the build, portion. We are anticipating that we'll launch in the first half of next year. That is the same timing that we would anticipate for the manufacturing ERP sometime in the first half. For the other systems, the two other systems that we talked about for next year are the financial platform and the order management system. And those two are very flawed. We want to make sure we're doing those correctly. So, it takes some time. Those will not be deployed next year. but they will likely be kicked off launch next year. And those are the systems that we are incorporating into the $15 million to $20 million. So is $15 million to $20 million, not $25 million for next year. And then as it pertains to the split between subscription fees, implementation costs and personnel. Those are largely still being fleshed out. We have not yet selected new vendors. We are actively in the process of working through what that could look like. So, we need a little bit more time. We think in the numbers that we've included here that we're targeting for next year, we think that we have a good handle on the different pieces as they could range and flex, but nothing is kind of nailed down. And then as you think about something like the OMS and the financial platform, there will be longer-term efficiencies. So once those are deployed, we'll have operational efficiencies, likely have process efficiencies, especially with the financial platform that might make us able to streamline head count over time. So, all of that will be fleshed out, but takes a little bit longer than just 12 months to determine those. Did I capture everything?
Jeremy Hamblin: Yes. Great color. I have one additional question that I wanted to hit on, which was, in terms of the kind of the pricing presentation and coming back to demand trends. September, in terms of online and even in stores, the presentation looked a bit more like kind of traditional Arhaus over the last few years as the company kind of migrated away from pricing presentation to look like things around sale all the time. Is there any kind of linkage to September, you saw a pretty notable improvement in your demand trends? You're running your kind of typical September promo in which you had percentage off storewide and online. Is there any kind of linkage to where you've seeing degradation in overall demand comps that's kind of based on that presentation? And is there any thought to potentially going back to how it was before?
Jennifer Porter: Hi, good morning. Great question. Yes. And as you noted, the presentation of our pricing, this year, we shifted to that more consistent pricing, and that's really reflective of our stance on how we price products and really want to reflect the value of our products to our clients. I think it's a great question about September. September, it was reflected of our biannual store-wide sales promotion that comes last year that comes really the last 5 years to 10 years strategy that we do in terms of doing that twice a year in spring and in the fall time. And we were really pleased with the improvement in comps in September. I think what's interesting is looking at the low single-digit comp -- negative comp in October as well. So that wasn't an isolated trend we saw in September and then saw a deceleration going in October. We're seeing that similar trends continue into October, where we have come off of that September promotion strategies. Pricing is something that we always are paying close retention here. We've spoken a lot before about how our pricing strategy is built to reflect that product. we build and create and design a product that will be high-quality, beautiful, work of art and quality that can last a very long time for our clients and then we price it accordingly. We're not price engineering our products, we're not active in our pricing strategies with what's going on in the market. So, we think very carefully about that. And we're happy with what we're doing right now, but we are paying very close attention and are constantly evolving that change.
Jeremy Hamblin: Great, thanks for the color. Best wishes.
Jennifer Porter: Thank you.
Operator: Next question comes from the line of Robby Ohmes with Bank of America (NYSE:BAC). Please go ahead.
Robby Ohmes: Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Two questions. A quick one, just inventory growth, I think, was a little bit higher than we were expecting in the quarter. Just some update on how we should think inventories will trend into -- through the fourth quarter here? And my second question is just any I don't know, Dawn, if you could give us any further puts and takes on how we should think about gross margin for the fourth quarter in 2025.
John Reed: Yes, I can take the inventory question, Robby That's been my direction. We've hit on some amazing collections of product that are out selling the pace of our company and surprising us and growing on a lot of new things. As I mentioned, we're launching some incredible new product coming out end of this year and into the spring. So, I wanted to, a, get back in stock on things because we were still, believe it or not, playing catch up with some products just because it surprises so much how much we're selling. So, our partners had to hire people and facilities and so forth. So, everybody has in line to grow with us now. We're thrilled with what everybody has done for us. and we're ready to grow. So, I wanted to get some more inventory. So, a, we're in stock on almost everything. And b, we can really fund these best-selling new collections that are really going to propel us into 2025.
Dawn Phillipson: Great. And then on the gross margin question. So, while we don't guide to gross margin, I think there's a couple of things that will be really helpful for you as you're thinking about your models and as we're thinking about the fourth quarter. I would encourage you to remember, we had $75 million of abnormal backlog last year. And keep in mind, the second half was heavier with those than the first half and the fourth quarter was heavier than the third quarter. So, we are lapping a first quarter from just a revenue flow-through perspective related to the abnormal backlog. So, you're going to see some deleverage related to that. Steve asked the question earlier on the new showroom and for 2025. And so just keep in mind that most of those are already under construction. We started those, we've taken possession. So, expenses, such as rents and things like that nature are already flowing through the P&L, and you'll see additional compression in gross margin related to those in the fourth quarter or just some of the kind of key callouts I would take. We're feeling really good about the actual product margin relative to prior year and how we're -- as I mentioned that we're talking about the promotional cadence. And so more to come on 2025, we will likely give guidance when we report fourth quarter versus now.
Operator: Next question comes from the line of Jonathan Matuszewski with Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Jonathan Matuszewski: Good morning, and thank you, for taking my question. The first one was just on demand complexion. Can you help us understand how that trended throughout 3Q maybe relative to the first half I'm thinking of things maybe like traffic, conversion, AOV? Any insights would be helpful.
Dawn Phillipson: Yes. So that's across the board has been choppy this year. we're actively tracking those. We're paying close attention. We're trying to slice and dice the data about 50 different ways, much like you guys are to understand what's happening with the underlying consumer. And interestingly, in the third quarter, while comp traffic was down, comp transactions were down. We did see really nice response in the average order units per transaction were up nicely as well. And then as we've mentioned in the past, those orders that are over $5,000 and over $10,000 what was interesting in the third quarter is that we did see those decline year-over-year. However, the penetration of those orders relative to total increased. So, seeing those higher value customers decelerating like the total consumer base bid but at a slower rate. So interesting and giving us some good feedback and feelings about the product assortment, the marketing and as we kind of enter the last few months of the year.
Jonathan Matuszewski: That's really helpful. And then just my second question, if you could update us on the source of exposure to China and the extent to which maybe reliance on the U.S. and Indonesia and Vietnam may have changed since you went public. And if we do see higher tariffs, maybe what percentage of your COGS is tied to product spend.
John Reed: Sure. As you know, we've all been waiting for this election and now we know who's in. So, we have been working on this about 2 years, 3 years now, moving things out of China. China number was a very large country for us, relatively small basis. But as you guys all know, we manufacture our own upholstery here in the United States, which is the biggest part of our business. And we get things from all over the globe and truly probably more than -- certainly more than our competitors do, various countries all over. But the things that we're left in China, I'm very happy to please any of our major vendors that we're doing any kind of significant business with their have all migrated out of China, Mexico, not on Cambodia, even the -- over to Europe, Eastern Europe. So, they've been working on this. We've had a team of people working on this now for a couple of years, anticipating this may happen. So, we're in great shape.
Jonathan Matuszewski: Thank you.
Operator: Next question comes from the line of Simeon Gutman with Morgan Stanley (NYSE:MS). Please go ahead.
Lauren Ng: This is Lauren on for Simeon. I guess our first question is, are you satisfied with demand comp trends in light of the promotions you're running? Does it show that maybe the customer is weaker, competition is more intense or maybe something else?
Jennifer Porter: Good morning. Are we satisfied with demand comp trends? No, Obviously, we want to see better. It has been a really interesting market. A lot of the furnish industry has been dealing with what's going on in the macro for longer than we have. We've obviously been seeing a really choppy year here in terms of our demand. We obviously one back to get working for that to get better. And we believe a lot of the macro is temporary. We bought the conversations around interest rates lotion the housing market, obviously, the election was earlier this week, a lot of noise leading into that. So, we are really confident in what we are doing in our business, in our strategies, how we are monitoring all of our facts. In terms of promotions and what's going on in the market, it continues to be an elevated commercial activity. I'll do everything that's going on. We run versions, as you know, our overall strategy and approach to promotion has remained pretty consistent. We have the lengthening promotions and has been spoken about on prior calls, and we're constantly evaluating that and have that as a lever to continue going into Q4 and then next year. But [indiscernible] launches we're happy to hear it now, but looking forward to the future.
John Reed: Yes. And just to add to that, we have an incredible lineup for 2025 in marketing and new products, new stores that are all just hitting on the red cylinders. And we had a little stumble this quarter. I think the last time we had a stumble was 2016. So, what is that 8 years ago or so. So, we've had a huge run, credible run. Our comps compared to our competitor’s way up the last few years. If you look at a 3-year comp stack comp or so forth, we are incredibly doing unbelievable. And -- so yes, we had a little bit of a stumble here, but we have all kinds of plans to get out of that, and we think it's going to be great. We love that the election is over. Hopefully, the housing market, we start hearing some better news on that going into next year. I know the interest rates continue to fall. So, we're happy and very excited about our future.
Lauren Ng: Great. That's helpful. And then my follow-up is just on the competitive landscape. It seems that -- you have a large competitor who is driving a lot of product newness and catalog intensity this year. Could you comment if you've seen any maybe overlap or in general, what you're seeing in the market share versus the industry?
John Reed: Yes. I mean our product, our best sellers, our designs are doing incredible, especially the new product. We're, I guess, flatter that some of our competition which has been happening us more and more. But that's part of competition. Everybody does that. So, we don't see any effect whatsoever with our competition taking any of our market share on product that's been very similar to ours. As a matter of fact, ours has been beating our projections. So, we'll continue to do what we do best. We've got the best design team, we think, in the country. Get the best manufacturers and partners around that make the most unique product anywhere in the world. And we've got a lot of exciting stuff coming up here. And people, of course, are going to copy us. I guess that's flattering and it's part of the business. But we're going to stay a few steps ahead of everybody, and we'll continue to do what we do best.
Operator: Next question comes from the line of Cristina Fernandez with Telsey Advisory. Please go ahead.
Cristina Fernandez: Good morning. I wanted to see if you can give more color on the change in the outlook for 2024, particularly as it relates to demand. On the last call, you talked about the demand assumption for the back half being down low double digit. Third quarter came down 11%. Fourth quarter outlook is also down low double digits. So, it seems to be the same. So, I'm just trying to understand where are things falling short of the prior outlook.
Dawn Phillipson: Yes. Great question, Cristina. So low double digit. Of course, there's a little bit of a range there. So that's one component is just as we're looking at different metrics and contemplating our promotional cadence for the balance of the year, some flexibility there. just in that range, right? And then secondarily, just keep in mind that if the comp -- as the demand comp picks up closer to November, December, that's a little bit tighter to get deliveries out and then impact net revenue, right? There's just this kind of timing component to that we're thinking about and contemplating as we're looking at November and December sales trajectory or demand trajectories there. So those are the two reasons, though.
Cristina Fernandez: Thank you. And then just a follow-up on the -- one of the earlier questions on the sourcing exposure. I know your China exposure is not as big as others, but can you remind us back in 2018, how you deal with the tariff? Did you have to did you increase prices that you make cuts across the organization? And then to the extent that tariffs could be bigger this time around? What are the levers you can pull to offset any cost impact?
John Reed: Yes, sure. Yes, the tariffs of a few years ago, 25% out of China, again, we did not have that much stuff coming out of China. The same product we did -- we work with our partners. They took a cut on their margins. And then the offset of that is we raised prices a little bit. I think it was 7%, 10%, something like that. But then our vendors gave us a cut on the product as well. And we did miss a beat in sales. If this happens across the board around the world, we'll do the same thing. Again, keep in mind, a big part of our production is right here in the United States. So, we don't have to worry about that. The things that are offshore or out of this country, I should say, we'll deal with it one by one. Our product is such an incredible value, better than our competition, better than the $100 million designers out there that are doing business. So, we have room to raise prices, and we don't think that's going to affect our sales.
Cristina Fernandez: Thank you.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Peter Keith with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.
Peter Keith: Good morning. Apologies, I got on the call a little bit late. But John, you had just mentioned in our recent response that you stumbled a little bit in Q3. And I guess with the benefit of hindsight, you look at those negative mid- to high teen demand comp declines for July and August, was there anything internal that you've identified that you were able to fix or that you maybe did wrong that now gets you back on track?
John Reed: Yes. I mean obviously, as Dawn said, we've looked at this backwards and forwards. And the previous year, we had a lot of we're up against some big numbers, some big positive numbers. A, also the previous year, we had taken some big markdowns just to clear out some inventory which was a big volume for us. And we didn't -- we just assumed we could make that up. And obviously, we didn't plan for that. So, we think those are the biggest things. See we didn't really promote at all those couple of months. We wanted to see what was going to happen if we were just very quiet with motions and so forth in any categories. And looking back, we probably should have been a little more promotional on that. But the big things were the prior year, the big comps and all the cold product we were clearing out is a big part of that.
Peter Keith: Okay. Helpful. And then on just a guidance question for Dawn. The demand comp outlook for negative low double-digit for Q4. I'm just trying to piece together. I think what Jen said that the negative low to single-digit trend is continue with October. November or December, I believe easier compares. So, I guess, is the view write-down, I understand conservatism, but things are very choppy, that might get worse and why might they get more challenged post-election?
Dawn Phillipson: Yes. It's a great question, Peter. And we've had a lot of internal dialog about what do we think November and December are going to look like for us. So really pleased, although the acceleration -- sequential acceleration in September and October, although certainly not where we want to be. And so really for just because it's been a choppy year because of the trends, the underlying trends and data sets are a little choppy, I guess, is the best word. We do have conservatism potentially baked in for November, December. I also -- I think I said this on the last quarter call maybe, but I do think the election distraction caused some pullback. And I think when the consumer returns to spending, it might be in furniture, but it likely will be in other categories, more holiday oriented. So, we're really excited to kind of jump into January and next year and what does that look like for us. But giving ourselves a little bit of flexibility as we finish out this year as it pertains to the guide, I think, is prudent. Just given that 2 months, they'll make a trend and -- and we'll see how the consumer reacts to. We were really pleased with the newness introductions in September and the marketing campaigns that came out to support those. So -- great question. Yours is the question that we've been asking each other for quite robustly for a week.
Peter Keith: Okay, I appreciate the insight. Thank you so much.
Operator: Next question comes from the line of Philip Blee with William Blair. Please go ahead.
Sabrina Baxamusa: This is Sabrina on for Philip. Thanks for taking my questions. Could you provide some color on performance by income cohort or by geography? And has there been any notable strength or potential softening in any particular categories?
Jennifer Porter: Yes, good morning, Sabrina. It's a great question, and we monitor our client demo really, really closely. We don't really speak to any shifts we see in months or a quarter really just because you can't make the trends of work 1-month data, particularly when it comes to demo. We are -- obviously, there were some weather factors in the quarter, the hurricanes in Florida and North Carolina area, obviously, play a part in that. But in terms of general, what are we seeing from our clients, who they are, where they are, we're seeing that remain pretty consistent. Nothing that we would see a significant amount to share this date, but we'll definitely keep you updated if we do see any shift in trends in the future.
Operator: Next question comes from the line of Seth Sigman Barclays (LON:BARC). Please go ahead.
Seth Sigman: A few follow-up questions for me. As I think about the effectiveness of that September event and then you think about the dip in sales or demand that you saw over the summer, do you think there was any just waiting for that September event? Obviously, the consumer has responded to more promotional activity broadly across the industry. I'm not sure if you're seeing that type of elasticity. But does it change at all how you think about pricing and promotions? And then I guess just one related question was thinking about the scenario that you had talked about in recent quarters about maybe budgeting for more price investments, more promotional activity. I guess it was more of a scenario, but how are you planning for that now relative to those expectations a quarter ago?
John Reed: Yes, that's a good question. And the answer is the summer, again, we're up against these high numbers the year before and a lot of markdown products. Some people certainly wait our tried and true customers that are there. But you have to keep in mind, well over half of our customers are new every year. They don't know when we do promotions, they don't know us. They just love our product. And I look at it, it's all about the product. Our product is an amazing value and even more so just a unique credible quality stuff that we just cannot get anywhere else in the world. So, with that said, we don't need to start promoting more than we have been by any means. We're not planning on it. We're not planning on eroding our margin for promotions because we don't have to. I mean we get the best product. One is certainly leaders in our business, we actually started a lot of trends in our business. And with that, people want what they want. Our customers can afford our product, they can afford to travel. I think last -- even the summer, in my opinion, so many people were traveling and so forth, trying to get that out of their system because of COVID, they had maybe didn't do it the year before. They do them this year. And now I think things are coming. Elections over things are becoming more normalized, where if they're going to travel, they're going to buy furniture, they're going to go out to dinner and -- but they're going to do all three. And I think the home business, as you guys know better than I have with the competitors and just the industry just about everybody was off this past year or so. And I think things are going to get more normalized next year. But we've got an incredible product, incredible lineup and there’s no need for us to erode our margin by thinking the competition is taking our business or anything like that because we don't believe that for a second.
Jennifer Porter: I think just to add on to that as well, as you think about what's happening going from that June, July, August period and to then the September, October period is we were doing a lot. We launched our fall catalog, that hit homes at the very end of August going into the beginning of September. We were launching incredible new products in August going into the back half of the year, we were doing all of those things that make Arhaus the brand, being able to show off that product, show off the product quality, tell the artisan story, show off the styling opportunities, the special-order customization capabilities. All the things that make Arhaus so special. And I think last time, we talk a lot about promotional levers, pricing levers in order to drive the sales. I think one of the big things that we focus on, on the business is doing what we do well. And we launched a lot of that at the end of summer, the end of August going into the fall period. And I think we're seeing the results about getting out into the market and integrating people. There are a lot of distractions going on in June, July, August and sometimes getting that catalog in the mail or getting that new Showroom floor set in the stores and people walk in to really be able to inspire them. Those are the things that really make a difference between finishing a home.
Seth Sigman: So, when you think about -- so maybe just a good follow-up there is thinking about the improvement in the exit rate, and it seems like overall message is relatively positive on what you've seen from a demand perspective. at least the cadence. I'm curious, when you look at leading indicators in your business, customer engagement, things like store traffic, web traffic, is there anything that gives you confidence that underlying demand is there, there's just some hesitation on the consumer's part sort of a waiting housing and macro.
Jennifer Porter: Yes. That's a great question. And as Dawn mentioned a few questions ago, we've been digging into every metric and looking at everything. And I'm hesitant to even comment on other thing specifically because you see one metric or elements that suggest one direction and then you see something else and maybe suggest something else. We did, I think, to the comments about seeing really positive responses to our new products that we just launched seeing some nice response to the marketing that we put out. Those are all of those indicators that confirms to us that what we're doing is working. People are buying the product as John mentioned, we'd be surprised by the success of some of these new collections and how well they're doing despite everything that is going on in the market. So, I think that is one of the big things we look at. I think the other thing I would point to that isn't really market indicator or maybe a customer behavior indicator, but all of the things that are going on behind the scenes, and we are getting smarter every day. We're getting better every day. We're talking to the past about how we're investing and our data capabilities, our internal team, analytics capabilities, really understanding that customer behavior. And so, I think we are getting better every single day, every single month of being able to give our clients what they want and meet them when they want us to be there. And so that gives us a lot of positive optimism going into 2025 as well.
Operator: [Operator Instructions]. Next question comes from the line of Seth Basham with Wedbush Securities. Please go ahead.
Seth Basham: Good morning. My first question is just thinking about the relative success you had in terms of sales over $500, $10,000. What do you think drove that? Was it because of bigger discounts or any other factors that you can point to?
John Reed: We have been concentrating on, a, remodeling our stores and getting our stores absolutely beautiful. And that absolutely helps with sales. People are going to say they want the whole room. So that's number 1 is when you walk in our stores and certainly our new stores and our renovated stores, people are just blown away and they walk in and they just spend more money. On top of that, we focus very heavily on our internal interior designers that, again, that triples the average sale, I believe. One of our own designers work with the clients, gets out to the client's home. Really put together a plan to do the entire room or certainly the entire house, which with many, many of those. And that entails a larger sale as well. On top of that, our trade business, but the outside designers has been booming. More and more of those every month are finding us tying up for our programs and using us. And those also are larger sales. So, the combination of those, we know is why it's driving the larger sales.
Seth Basham: That's helpful color, John. And then secondly, in terms of product, you talked about some competitors emulating and knocking out some of your products. You don't feel like you need to get more aggressive on price to continue to drive strong sales of your competing products. Can you confirm that one? And then for two, thinking about some of the new products you highlighted like the Astor collection and reeded furniture seems to be a major trend, do you see that as having a lot of legs? And do you see a competitive environment there intensify?
John Reed: Yes, answer the last question. Yes, that trend is here for quite a while. And we -- from what we can tell, we really started that trend in any significant way, and now people are playing catch up. So, we're off to the next greatest collection in the next design that's going to be the next phase of that once the red collection gets a little stale. And I'm guessing the reeded collections all the way down to the lowest folks right now. I'm guessing everybody has it because once people jump on the trend, they follow us. They want to copy us and probably down to the lowest guys selling to not our customers, but everybody. So, any trends in this country, people love to jump on and follow we get -- that's part of our culture here in the United States. And so, we're on to the next one. We've added actually some more folks to our design team coming up some great new products. We've found some great new partners around the world that can handle our growth as we've grown that we've been very, very happy with. So, we're going to keep doing what we do best and that has come up and innovate new products. And a lot of our products can't be copied because they're so hand made. A lot of these folks, these bigger folks just can't do it. They want things that can be easily manufactured that they can pump out 1,000 a day in one factory. And quite a bit of our product isn't like that. But we keep the collections very small with those kinds of folks up to one SKU even at a time so they can handle it. But that's a different model than a lot of our competitors. So, ours is a very unique model.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the floor over to Tara Atwood, closing comments.
Tara Atwood: Thank you, everyone, for your participation in our call and interest in Arhaus.
John Reed: Thanks, guys. I appreciate it. Have a great day.
Operator: Thank you.
Dawn Phillipson: Goodbye.
Operator: Everyone, for your participation in our call and interest in Arhaus.
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