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- Total (EPA:TTEF) Revenue: Just under SEK30 billion, indicating a contraction of approximately 20% year-over-year.
- Operating Margin: 8.5%, significantly lower than the previous year, with an operating profit less than 50% of last year's figure.
- Gross Margin: 31.5% for the first three quarters, showing a slight improvement from Q2.
- Climate Solutions Revenue: SEK19 billion, down from SEK23.7 billion, a decline of 20%.
- Climate Solutions Operating Margin: 8.1% after adjustments.
- Element Revenue: SEK8.2 billion, down from SEK8.9 billion.
- Element Operating Margin: 5.3%.
- Stoves Revenue: SEK2.7 billion, down from SEK3.4 billion, a decline of 21%.
- Stoves Operating Margin: 3.2%.
- Cash Flow: SEK1.8 billion for the first nine months, down from SEK5.1 billion the previous year.
- Investments: Close to SEK2 billion, down from SEK2.3 billion, with the investment program nearly 90% complete.
- Net Debt to EBITDA: Increased, but considered manageable.
- Equity Assets Ratio: Above 42%.
- Return on Capital: 7.6%.
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Positive Points
- NIBE Industrier AB (NDRBF) reported a more stable market environment, with inventory levels returning to acceptable levels, aligning production with actual demand.
- The company has implemented a cost-saving program that is expected to show full effects in 2025, demonstrating agility and resilience in challenging market conditions.
- Despite a tough market, NIBE Industrier AB (NDRBF) remains optimistic about future growth, supported by a strong action plan and cost reductions.
- The company has maintained a clear and determined target to return to historical operating margin levels, showing commitment to financial recovery.
- NIBE Industrier AB (NDRBF) has a strong presence in North America, with a balanced geographical distribution of sales, which provides a stable market base.
- The company experienced a significant contraction in sales, down approximately 20% compared to the previous year, impacting operating margins.
- Gross margins have taken a hit and remain below last year's levels, indicating ongoing financial challenges.
- The heating element and wind power sectors have faced downturns, making it difficult to compensate within those business areas.
- The stoves segment has struggled with a dramatic drop in sales, down 21%, and operating margins far from desired levels.
- Working capital remains a challenge, with a focus on reducing inventory levels and improving cash flow, which has decreased significantly compared to the previous year.
A: Optimism is present as inventory levels have diminished, allowing production to align with market demand. However, Germany still lags behind other markets in terms of inventory levels. We expect improvements in the coming months or quarters.
Q: Have you seen any impact on your gross margin due to pricing adjustments related to refrigerant transitions?
A: We have maintained our pricing strategy by specifying products according to price segments. Price reductions are typically seen at the distribution level rather than at the manufacturer level.
Q: What are your expectations for margin progress in 2025, and what historical range are you targeting?
A: We aim to return to historical operating margin levels between 13% to 15%, excluding extraordinary years like 2023. This target applies across our business areas, and we are determined to achieve it.
Q: How should we think about pricing for new products and expectations for pricing versus volumes next year?
A: Pricing will be maintained according to market segments and specifications. We do not plan to reduce prices on premium products, as sustainable profitability relies on rational internal operations and a diverse product assortment.
Q: Can you explain the cost savings impact on Climate Solutions and whether there are more savings to come in Q4?
A: The cost savings program is largely implemented, with significant improvements already visible. While not fully completed, the majority of the program is in place, contributing to internal improvements.
Q: What is the outlook for working capital by year-end, given the progress on inventory reduction?
A: While we don't provide specific forecasts, our long-term target is to return to around the 20% mark for working capital, down from the current 25%.
Q: How do you view M&A activity going into next year, considering current leverage levels?
A: We aim to reduce leverage to more balanced levels and are confident in our ability to generate cash for debt amortization. We see good opportunities for acquisitions, supported by the option to pay with shares.
Q: Have you observed any changes in demand between commercial and residential heat pumps in Europe?
A: The commercial sector is more resilient compared to residential, which is more affected by interest rates. This trend continues, with commercial demand showing more stability.
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.