Bentley Systems, Incorporated (NASDAQ:BSY), a leading provider of comprehensive software solutions for advancing infrastructure, has reported strong second-quarter results for 2024.
The company's executive chair, Greg Bentley, CEO Nicholas Cumins, and CFO Werner Andre, provided an update during the earnings call, highlighting significant growth in recurring subscription revenues and annual recurring revenue (ARR).
Despite challenges in China and with its Cohesive digital integrated business, Bentley Systems delivered strong profitability and cash flow, with an 11% ARR growth, excluding China's impact. The company remains optimistic about its growth prospects, particularly in asset analytics and AI initiatives, and expects to see accelerated ARR growth in the latter half of the year.
Key Takeaways
- Bentley Systems reported significant growth in recurring subscription revenues and a balanced, visible, and linear ARR growth.
- The Americas, especially North America, displayed the fastest growth due to increased infrastructure spending.
- Two headwinds, China and the Cohesive business, have affected performance, but the company maintains strong profitability and cash flow.
- The company's year-to-date margin is higher than planned, and they are on track to achieve their annual margin improvement target.
- Bentley Systems is investing in AI-based asset analytics solutions and exploring AI in design to capture value from efficiency gains.
- The company is adopting digital twin technology across its portfolio, with a focus on leveraging iTwin capabilities and developing native digital twin applications.
Company Outlook
- Bentley Systems expects ARR growth driven by E365 renewals, new logos in the SMB segment, and asset analytics deals.
- The company is comfortable with its capital structure and has reduced bank debt while paying dividends and repurchasing shares.
- Recurring subscription revenues are exceeding expectations, although total revenues are trending below the midpoint due to implementation and upgrade delays.
- Bentley Systems anticipates accelerated ARR growth in the second half of the year and maintains a solid outlook for the year.
Bearish Highlights
- Slow uptake of the next generation of IBM (NYSE:IBM) Maximo for enterprise asset management impacted Cohesive.
- China represents only 2.5% of total ARR, indicating limited market penetration.
Bullish Highlights
- The company reported strong growth in the Americas, particularly North America, and steady performance in EMEA and Asia-Pacific.
- Bentley Systems is confident in the SMB segment, with high retention rates and positive market sentiment.
- The company's AI-based asset analytics solutions are gaining significant traction, particularly in the US.
Misses
- Total revenues are trending below the midpoint of expectations due to delays in implementation and upgrade work.
Q&A Highlights
- Bentley Systems discussed the enthusiasm for asset analytics and AI solutions, with a non-competitive selling cycle to departments of transportation and highway maintenance.
- The company is focused on long-term growth in asset operations and sees potential for programmatic acquisitions in these areas.
- Infrastructure investments are expected to remain a priority, with bipartisan support, regardless of geopolitical changes.
Overall, Bentley Systems is navigating through a few challenges while capitalizing on strong market trends and strategic initiatives in AI and digital twin technologies. The company's leadership is confident in its long-term growth trajectory and the resilience of the infrastructure software market.
InvestingPro Insights
Bentley Systems, Incorporated (BSY) has demonstrated a robust financial performance, underpinned by impressive gross profit margins and a strong emphasis on recurring subscription revenues. According to the latest data from InvestingPro, Bentley Systems boasts a gross profit margin of 79.48% for the last twelve months as of Q1 2024, which is indicative of the company's efficient cost management and premium product offering within the infrastructure software market.
Despite facing headwinds in China and within its Cohesive digital integrated business, Bentley Systems has maintained a healthy market capitalization of $15.08 billion USD, showcasing investor confidence in the company's market position and future growth potential. Additionally, the company is trading at a P/E ratio of 38.87, suggesting that investors are willing to pay a premium for its earnings, which may be due to the anticipated benefits from its investments in AI and digital twin technologies.
InvestingPro Tips indicate that while analysts have revised their earnings expectations downwards for the upcoming period, Bentley Systems is still predicted to be profitable this year. This aligns with the company's optimistic outlook and plans for accelerated ARR growth in the latter half of the year. Furthermore, there are a total of 11 InvestingPro Tips available for Bentley Systems, providing deeper insights for investors considering this company's stock.
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Full transcript - Bentley Systems Inc (BSY) Q2 2024:
Eric Boyer: Good morning and thank you for joining Bentley Systems' Q2 2024 Results Webcast. I'm Eric Boyer, Bentley's Investor Relations Officer. On the webcast today, we have Bentley Systems' Executive Chair, Greg Bentley; Chief Executive Officer, Nicholas Cumins and Chief Financial Officer, Werner Andre. This webcast includes forward-looking statements made as of August 6, 2024, regarding the future results of operations and financial position, business strategy and plans, and objectives for future operations of Bentley Systems Incorporated. All such statements made in or contained during this webcast, other than statements of historical fact, are forward-looking statements. This webcast will be available for replay on Bentley Systems' Investor Relations website at investors.bentley.com on August 6, 2024. After our presentation, we will conclude with Q&A. And with that, let me introduce the executive chair of Bentley Systems, Greg Bentley.
Greg Bentley: Good morning, and thanks to each of you as always for your interest in BSY. In these first operating results reporting in new roles, our lineup will remain the same, but the format is updated to correspond to new responsibilities. In particular, I bequeath to Nicholas as CEO the charts to review our operating performance numbers, especially ARR growth as our key indicator, along with his expanded commentary on the underlying tone of business across all notable dimensions. As now Executive Chair, my perspective on directions and developments will, here and henceforth, be qualitative and comparatively succinct. While I think our ’24 Q2 operating results should be recognized as commendably robust on their face, my qualitative characterization of the quarter is even more favorable. In all around pace and balance, it seems to me, with now perhaps the benefit of a broader perspective in my new role, that everything has come together more so than ever. Hence some observations on our busyness directions in keeping with my new qualitative focus. For me, BSY business describes the unprecedented stride now being hit both in our infrastructure engineering end markets and in our own efficient execution which will be further detailed in turn by Nicholas and Werner. And speaking of quality, rarely if ever in my experience has our ARR growth shown as much balance, visibility and linearity as it has of late. In fact, I consider the fundamentals of our business to have further improved year-over-year as would be reflected in ARR growth net of subsiding inflation-based escalation, intentional commercial model changes in China and onboarding from programmatic acquisitions. Likewise, I think 2024 revenues have significantly grown in quality with recurring subscription revenues surpassing 90% of the total by virtue of mid-double-digit year-to-date growth in subscription revenue that is virtually all organic. And my new focus on qualitative observations leads me to also emphasize the transparency and accounting quality of our revenues, rare or unique among even software peers with likewise subscription preponderance. Our distinction is that we have virtually no multiyear recognition or billing as is elsewhere booked at the expense of the future. Moreover, by virtue of our ever growing E365 plurality, over three quarters of our subscription revenues are recognized strictly ratably throughout the year for which we collect in advance, with only the shrinking remainder of less than 25% still subject to any 606 obscurity even just across quarters. Our, what you see is what we get revenue quality in turn makes our profitability margins meaningful and consistent. And as you know, for further financial transparency and usefulness, our key profitability metric, adjusted operating income inclusive of stock-based compensation, tracks reliably with cash flows after stock repurchases to offset the dilution which would otherwise result. Incidentally, for the first half of 2024, all of these measures thus follow suit with subscription revenues in significant favorable variances. Lastly, among qualitative observations of our unprecedented busyness, recall my high hopes for our asset analytics initiatives to make a mark in 2024. In this incremental opportunity, beyond our existing commercial model where ARR is charged per user, our asset analytics subscriptions are charged per asset for insights derived through AI from digital twin cloud services. While still not quite moving our overall ARR growth needle, I'm pleased to say that in ‘24 Q2, asset analytics did reach the pace of ARR growth, a rate of eight digits for the year, which I posited last quarter as a reasonable aspiration. Turning now to such long-term prospects, the asset analytics initiative is characteristic of the auspicious expectations I have for our new generational leaders to explore and develop incremental opportunities. While I am confident that we have the right leadership, I regard it as my responsibility as executive chair to make sure that our board structures the appropriate incentives and rewards for success in succession, given what we've organizationally learned. And it happens that in a month, we will officially celebrate the 40th anniversary of Bentley Systems. Coinciding as this does with our CEO transition, it has been natural and important for me to reflect on the factors that I think have contributed to BSY remaining, in my humble assessment, sufficiently entrepreneurial for so long, and what we can do to perpetuate that growth mindset culture and its sustained compounding performance? Significantly, I think a stalwart constant ever since our founding 40 years ago has been our unusual executive bonus plan for top management. Having been a primary beneficiary of that plan for the last 33 years and still remaining so as per this recent disclosure filing, I feel entitled to say with some authority that the design and operation of this plan on the one hand and BSY's continually compounded growth and profitability and, hence, share valuation on the other hand, have not been just coincidental. The plan has incentivized just that. By paying me an established fixed percentage, of operating income each quarter for the very long-term. At the outset of the plan, of course, our operating income magnitude was insignificant compared to today's, but knowing that the parameters of this plan would prevail indefinitely, as CEO, I could and did all along the way make intentionally long sided resource allocation decisions to benefit the magnitude per share of future profitability, sowing the seeds for incentives reaped more recently. These days, the same underlying premise tends to be enshrined in the market as a rule of 40. At BSY, where this plan set our compass to engrain a growth mindset, as we reach our 40th anniversary and even in our conservative way of calculating operating income after stock-based compensation, we have reached the rules 40 and counting as this chart shows. So, on this occasion of our first CEO transition, our shared priority to further perpetuate this compounding, likewise needs to underlie our new CEO's incentives by way of long-term visibility into his compensation opportunities comparable to what worked for me and for BSY to date. During ’24 Q2, our board's sustainability committee finalized this new CEO compensation plan anchored by what is indeed meant to be a career stock program for Nicholas. It incorporates the distinctive and proven philosophy of our historical executive bonus plan, but refactored and modernized to begin now with our current profitable public company point of departure. Career stock awards and appreciation are designed to provide the increasing majority of cumulative CEO earnings over what we expect to be another tenure of double-digit years. As in our original plan, the career stock program pays out, in this case as an annual restricted stock award, an established fixed percentage of operating income, but now only to the extent of growth above and also fixed threshold annual growth rate. Each such annual grant does not vest until after five years of continued service to assure a sufficient rolling horizon for everyone to plan for. But importantly, during those rolling five years, the percentage parameters of the career stock program can't be changed. Probably won't be changed even thereafter. This is of the essence. The CEO needs and deserves visibility to know how their resource allocation investment returns will be duly rewarded. It immunizes the CEO from the perverse disincentive otherwise of their goalposts being raised to the very extent they succeed. By continuing and compounding BSY's dependable growth, the CEO's career stock will accumulate and compound to result in a competitively benchmarked and deserved reward over the course of a desired decade plus at the helm. But as importantly, the career stock program appropriately contemplates our next CEO retirement. Though we believe in the value of continuity, recent events, and I'm not talking about my retirement mainly. Reinforce the virtue of a top leader not being incented to outstay their effectiveness. The vesting of all earned career stock accelerates upon an expected tenure as CEO that we have mutually agreed, facilitating the decision then to retire. Through career stock, our first generation of BSY leadership now as board members has in mind to program our new generational leadership to benefit much and most from the long-term thinking which we believe has served us optimally and as much in the capacity of owners as executives for our 40 years so far. And speaking of our confidence in such succession, may I introduce for the first time as CEO, Nicholas Cummins (NYSE:CMI) to cover operating perspectives and operating performance. Thanks.
Nicholas Cumins: Thank you, Greg. Having completed my first months as CEO, I want to start my prepared remarks today by reiterating my enthusiasm for Bentley's role in the world of infrastructure and for the many opportunities that lie ahead of us. Infrastructure sectors have benefited greatly from the massive capital investments in projects and jobs post-pandemic. But much more remains to be done to make infrastructure more resilient from retrofitting aging infrastructure and mitigating the effects of climate change to closing the gap in engineering resources. Our collective ability to overcome those challenges will determine the quality of life for generations to come. Fortunately, a paradigm shift in software is reshaping the landscape. AI is going to be a major driver of our business moving forward, helping engineering services firms to increase their productivity and own operators to better understand the condition and improve the performance of their assets. The traction we are generating in the market with our AI based solutions for asset analytics is worth noting. The vast majority of costs are incurred during the operations phase of the infrastructure lifecycle, which represents a significant growth opportunity for us. With Asset Analytics, we can transform the way organizations monitor the connection of roads, bridges, dams, water networks and telecommunications towers. As Greg referenced in previous quarters, we are seeing increased adoption of our AI-based solution for roadway maintenance, and our AI-based offering for cell towers is also ramping up globally. Of course, this all builds on our broader strategy of bringing data to life, federating it, enriching it, reusing it through digital twins. Our first 40 years as a company were successful because we saw opportunity in paradigm shifts to the personal computer, to the cloud, to digital twins, and now to AI. The foundation laid over the last four decades has uniquely positioned Bentley’s for success, and it ensures we will be there to help the world's engineering firms and owner operators answer the call for more resilient infrastructure for decades to come. Now to our business performance for the quarter. Q2 was another strong quarter with very positive end market and operational momentum. ARR performance was broad-based across industries and geographies. Our E365 and Virtuosity growth initiatives continue to be strong contributors as well. The two headwinds to our overall performance continue to be China, in particular for ARR, and Cohesive, our digital integrated business, with respect to professional services revenues. Cohesive continues to be impacted by the slow uptake of the next generation of IBM Maximo for enterprise asset management. Throughout the first half of 2024, we delivered very strong profitability and cash flow. Moving to ARR growth, our key metric of business performance year-over-year. In Q2, this remained at 11%, including contributions from programmatic acquisitions, which have become negligible. We expect ARR growth to benefit from significant E365 renewals towards the end of the year based on the impact of floors and ceilings as explained last quarter. Excluding the impact of China, ARR growth was 11.5%. China now represents only 2.5% of our total ARR. Moving to our growth by commercial models. Our E365 program remains a major growth driver, with continued conversions of accounts from the select subscription program and application mix accretion, upsell or cross-sell with existing E365 accounts. In terms of our SMB accounts, which we classify as accounts less than $100,000 of ARR per year, we continue to add new logos at a strong pace. In Q2, new logos contributed 4 percentage points to ARR growth for the second consecutive quarter and at least 3 percentage points for the six quarter in a row. Our virtuosity subscriptions targeted primarily at SMBs through our nine store continue to add a strong number of new logos in Q2, the 10th straight quarter of more than 600 new logos. Moving to industry dynamics, which continue to be robust. In the most recent ACC quarterly survey, the main themes continue. U.S. engineering firms across sectors expect higher backlogs 12 months from now. They also continue to express optimism regarding the outlook for the U.S. economy, the design and engineering sector, and their own firm's overall finances. Looking at our performance by infrastructure sector in Q2, Public Works Utilities, our largest sector, was once again the main growth driver for the company as we continue to benefit from strong global infrastructure spending across transportation, water utilities and electric grid. Civil is also the largest growth driver for Seequent. Growth in resources remained solid with Seequent strengthening its position in mining despite new mine investments remaining subdued. The industrial and the commercial facility sectors had modest growth. Moving on to regions. The Americas was the fastest growing region, again led by North America. We continue to see tailwinds from the IIJA with only 38% of the overall funding having been announced today and primarily for transportation. We are also benefiting from increased spending for highways and bridges by the state themselves estimated by trade groups at 13% this year. As another positive development in the U.S., the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee just proposed a bipartisan reform bill representing the biggest change to federal permitting in years. The president recently signed into law the Advance Act, a bipartisan nuclear energy bill to ease permitting restrictions. And the house passed the water resources development act, which delivers critical water resources infrastructure improvements and streamline process and commencing. We believe this bipartisan support for infrastructure will continue in the U.S. regardless of election outcomes in November. Moving to EMEA. Q2 performance was steady, driven by public works utilities and resources. The Middle East had a particularly strong quarter driven by municipalities and mining. We are monitoring the recent political developments in Europe, but at this point, we do not believe there will be major implications for infrastructure priorities. Asia-Pacific continues to be a growth driver with strong performance across sectors, with Australia and New Zealand standing out. India had a solid growth despite the expected slowdown given the elections. We expect growth in India to reaccelerate in the second half as the government is keen to resume funding infrastructure projects. President Modi's third term government published its budget which remains unchanged from an earlier version and still foresees a record $133 billion in infrastructure spending in the financial year ending March 2025. The rest of the region experienced solid growth. China's performance was consistent with recent quarters. The headwinds remained the same with soft economic conditions and geopolitical tensions intensifying the shift in preferences by state-owned enterprise accounts for perpetual licenses and local software. Moving on to another operational highlight. In previous quarters, we have talked about our efforts to help U.S. state DOTs in going digital. This quarter, I want to highlight a recent example in our headquarters home state of Pennsylvania. Earlier this year, we hosted PennDOT's top executive team, the Commonwealth legislative leaders, engine engineering firm CEOs at our campus to discuss digital product delivery. This exemplifies the outreach we look to do within the ecosystem of our state DOT partners. PennDOT had already upgraded to Bentley's Open Road 3D design software and product-wise for data management to support roadway, bridge, drainage, traffic, and geotechnical engineering. During Q2, we expanded our scope of business with PennDOT by more than half to advance digital product delivery through SYNCHRO for 4D construction modeling and broader user of product wise, both part of Ben Infrastructure Cloud. At the same time, PennDOT is transitioning to become platform inclusive, largely to expand their design supply chain to smaller civil engineering firms given the capacity constraints of established DOT consultants. In our experience, in other states where DOTs have also taken steps to broaden their supply chain, this opens up an opportunity for us to reach these smaller firms as potential new SMB logos. To conclude, I am pleased with the strong quarter and the operational momentum entering the second half, which puts us on track to deliver another year of strong and consistent results. Before I turn it over to Werner, I want to thank our colleagues around the world for their continued hard work and dedication in achieving a very successful quarter. Over to you, Werner.
Werner Andre: Thank you, Nicholas. We are pleased with another consistent and strong quarter. Total revenues for the second quarter were $330 million up 11% year-over-year and 12% in constant currency. Year-to-date, total revenues grew 9% on a reported and constant currency basis. Subscription revenues for the quarter grew 15% year-over-year in reported and constant currency, representing 90% of our total revenues, up from 87% in 23 Q2. Q2 has historically been our lowest subscription revenues quarter when compared to other quarters and particularly Q1 due to a lower proportion of contract renewals with any degree of upfront revenue recognition. But the continued expansion of our consumption-based E365 program yields more ratable revenue recognition throughout the year, benefiting Q2. For the first half, more normalized for mix and timing, subscription revenues grew 13% on a reported and constant currency basis. Our E365 and SMB initiatives continue to be solid contributors to our subscription revenue growth. Perpetual license revenues for the quarter were $11 million down $1 million, year-over-year. Perpetual license sales make up only 3% of total revenues and will remain small relative to our recurring revenues. Our professional services revenues for the quarter declined by $4 million down 15% year-over-year or 40% in constant currency, driven primarily by the expected delays in IBM Maximo-related implementation and upgrade work within our digital integrator, Cohesive. Such delays are now likely to continue through the third quarter before the pace of upgrade projects is expected to increase during the fourth quarter of 2024. On a positive note, our professional services related to Bentley software continue to grow modestly as expected. Moving on to our recurring revenue performance. Our last 12 months recurring revenues increased by 12% year-over-year in reported and 11% in constant currency and represent 90% of our total last 12 months revenues. Our last 12 months constant currency account retention rate was 99%, and our constant currency recurring revenues net retention rate was 108%, led by continued accretion within our E365 consumption-based commercial model. Ex-China, where our ARI is subject to erosion from commercial model changes, our NRR was 109%. We ended Q2 with ARR of $1.26 billion at quarter end spot rates with our E365 and SMB growth initiatives remaining the key growth drivers. Our constant currency ARR growth rate was 11% year-over-year or 11.5% excluding China where we continue to experience ARR headwinds. China now represents 2.5% of our ARR, down from 3% a year ago. The contribution from programmatic acquisition to our year-over-year ARR growth rate is currently negligible, while in the year-ago period, onboarded ARR from programmatic acquisitions contributed in the range of 1%. On a sequential quarterly basis, our constant currency ARR growth rate was 2.9% and was fully in line with our expectations. As we discussed in more detail during last quarter's call, we have an increased percentage of our E365 accounts on consumption floors and ceilings, which impacts our ARR growth seasonality and tends to align an increasing portion of our ARR accretion related to our E365 consumption with the contract renewal timing, which is heavily weighted towards Q4. Based on our ARR performance for the first half of the year, we are in a solid position within the 10.5% to 13% range of our ARR growth outlook for 2024. Now moving to profitability performance. Our GAAP operating income was $80 million for the second quarter and $172 million year-to-date. We have previously discussed the impact on our GAAP operating results from amortization of purchased intangibles, deferred compensation plan liability revaluations and acquisition expenses. Moving on to adjusted operating income with stock-based compensation expense, our primary profitability and margin performance measure. Adjusted operating income with stock-based compensation expense was $95 million for the quarter, up 30% year over year with a margin of 28.8%, up 410 basis points. Year-to-date, adjusted operating income with stock-based compensation expense was $208 million up 27% with a margin of 31.1%, up 430 basis points. Our profitability continues to reflect run rate savings associated with the strategic realignment program, which we initiated during the fourth quarter of 2023. While most of the realignment action were completed at the beginning of 2024, we continue to ramp towards fully reinvesting this run rate saving into priority investment areas such as AI and product development and marketing. Our operating margin also benefited from the mix shift from lower-margin professional services revenues to the higher-margin subscription revenues, which represented 90% of total revenues in the quarter, up 3% year-over-year. While our services revenues declined for the reasons we discussed, we pay close attention to our services delivery cost structure to adjust for volatility in episodic services work. This nets to higher gross margin to the benefit of profitability for the quarter and year-to-date. Based on these developments, our margin is trending higher than planned. And while this puts us in a strong position to deliver on our 100 basis points intended annual margin improvement, we do not undertake to maximize short-term profitability. And over the full year, we instead will prioritize investing in longer-term initiatives. I also want to remind you of our OpEx seasonality, which is more heavily weighted towards the second half with our annual raises occurring as of April 1 each year, further compounded by larger promotional and event-related costs concentrated during the second half of the year. With respect to liquidity, our operating cash flow was $63 million for the quarter and $268 million for the first half of 2024 and benefited from our strong profitability. For the remainder of 2024, we continue to expect that our conversion rate of adjusted EBITDA to cash flow from operations will gravitate towards the 80% range. With regards to capital allocation, during the first half of the year, along with providing sufficiently for our growth initiatives, we deployed $197 million towards bank debt reduction, which includes repayments of $103 million of our term loan during the second quarter, reducing our outstanding senior debt to $85 million at the end of the quarter. We further paid $36 million dividends and applied $47 million to share repurchases to fully offset dilution from stock-based compensation. As of the end of Q2, our net senior debt leverage was 0.1 times. And including our 2026 and 2027 convertible notes fully as debt, our net debt leverage was 2.8 times. With our strong free cash flow generation profile, we have year-to-date delevered 0.7 times adjusted EBITDA to increase our balance sheet strength and M&A flexibility. From a rates exposure perspective, all of our remaining debt is protected from high or rising interest rates through either very low fixed coupon interest in our convertible notes or our $200 million interest rate swap expiring in 2030. We are comfortable with our capital structure in terms of leverage, maturities and especially interest rate exposure and believe we have sufficient flexibility for the upcoming renewal of our credit facility. And finally, with regards to our outlook for the year, our ‘24 Q2 financial performance puts us in a solid position to deliver within the range of our annual outlook for ARR growth, profitability, and cash flow from operations. However, while recurring subscription revenues exceed expectations year-to-date, total revenues are trending below the midpoint of our outlook range due to weakness within our non-recurring professional service revenues caused by delays in Maximo-related implementation and upgrade work. For modeling seasonality, we expect year-over-year ARR growth to accelerate in the second half and particularly in Q4 due to E365 renewal timing and consumption dynamics around floors and ceilings. With regards to foreign exchange rates. For the first half of 2024, the U. S. dollar has only slightly weakened relative to the exchange rates assumed in our 2024 annual financial outlook, resulting in less than $1 million of incremental revenues from currency. If end of July exchange rates would prevail throughout the remainder of the year, then we would not expect a significant FX impact on GAAP revenues relative to the exchange rates assumed in our 2024 financial outlook. And with that, we are ready for Q&A. Over to Eric. Thank you.
A - Eric Boyer: Thanks, Werner. Before we begin, I just want to remind you that please limit your questions to one so that we can get to everybody. First question comes from Matt Hedberg of RBC (TSX:RY).
Matthew Hedberg: Great. Matt, -- yeah. Still here. Yeah. I was trying to get my video. There we go. Good morning, guys. All right. Hey. Good to see you guys. One question. Okay. Let's see. I think, thinking about the second half, it's great to hear that all your ARR is on target. And I think it sounds like, Nicholas, you were talking about second half E365 renewals more so 4Q, weighted. I guess could you talk to us about the confidence around some of those deals? Obviously, you guys are delivering good results, but it feels like the broader macro environment seems like it's, a bit uneasy now. Hearing some other companies talk about elongated deal cycles, extra signatures. Just kind of walk us through sort of the confidence level in that second half, E365 renewal base and which obviously predicates sort of the full-year guide.
Werner Andre: Yeah. I'm going to let Nicholas talk about the observations on the ground, but just structurally, of course, sentiment matters, but the sentiment among infrastructure engineering organizations, their concern is capacity, not demand. And their backlogs are strong and their visibility is long at this point. But it should be remembered that most of our ARR growth comes, atomically from consumption, and consumption is not a matter of enterprise decisions. It's a matter -- our software is a factor of production in the throughput of infrastructure engineering organizations, and the consumption occurs as a matter of course. Now we do have some competitive procurements for project wise and asset wise. New project wise and asset wise implementations do occur and are a matter of RFPs are subject to decisions that you're talking about. But that's a very dilute portion of our ARR growth. In many case, Golden Digital is the priority for our users. So, I'm saying, structurally, we do not rely much on, enterprise decisions, and even there, the sentiment in our in markets is concerned about capacity, not demand. But, Nicholas, you're better and much able to speak about the observations on the ground.
Nicholas Cumins: The sentiment in the in, end markets is indeed very positive. The bulk of our businesses with Public Works Utilities, our accounts are busier than ever. Nothing has changed, from that standpoint. The demand is still very high. The biggest challenge is just they don't have enough resources, which for us is a fantastic opportunity. Right? We are right there to help them in getting more productivity from the engineering resources that they already have. Yeah. So, the market sentiment is positive. And based on this, by the way, and the momentum that we have also with our own program, E365 and SMB, we are confident with what Werner has shared, which is we are -- we're going to be solidly within our ARR range.
Matthew Hedberg: Great. Thanks. Congrats, guys, and congrats to both, Greg and Nicholas to new roles.
Nicholas Cumins: Thank you.
Eric Boyer: Thanks, Matt. Next question comes from Joe Vruwink from Robert Baird.
Joseph Vruwink: Yeah. Great. Thanks for taking my question this morning. Staying on the, infrastructure and IGA funding topic, so still very early as you noted earlier. I think it's also well appreciated that project starts have been a bit uneven to date. Does this extended timeline, maybe this is, in an ironic way, provide better opportunities for Bentley to grow at enterprise accounts since you get a bit of a flavor of the opportunity ahead, but you still have time to engage with a key software vendor like yourselves, and you can strategize around future improvement. And I'm wondering if maybe that explains Ben DOT and some of the decisions they're making, which, as you said, is leading to a good step up in in spend there.
Werner Andre: Yeah. Well, I definitely think higher for longer is the consensus, in the U.S., but it's interesting that states are stepping up their spending also. And Nicholas maybe had more commentary on it.
Nicholas Cumins: Yeah. It does mean indeed that the momentum we've seen from IIJA is just going to last longer. So, this is positive in that sense. It's sustained momentum from IIJA. It is true that most of the funding that has been announced has been for transportation. So, this is with the DOTs. The DOTs are typically better equipped. They have more experience to apply for grants and then to execute on those grants. And, and we are -- we have a solid position with, with those DOTs. But I think, whether it's the DOTs themselves, or their supply chain, which are struggling with, enduring capacity. The fact that the funding is being announced over time is actually, I guess, good news for the whole supply chain to be able to deliver on that funding over time.
Joseph Vruwink: Thank you.
Eric Boyer: So, the next question comes from Jason Celino from KeyBanc.
Jason Celino: Great. Thanks for taking our question. The performance in SMB continues to be quite strong. Wanted to get an update on how retention is in that segment. I know you've talked about 80% retention previously, and I'm just curious how it's been trending.
Werner Andre: Well, we don't we don't quantify it, each quarter, but we're happy with how it's tracking. We're working on automating it more and more so and allocating resources between the digital experience upgrades to do that. That's what we spend capital on now and, the mix of people working on that versus new subscriptions and so forth, we're experimenting with. But we'll have a quantitative update of that, within the year as well, I think. Nicolas, anything more to add?
Nicholas Cumins: Yeah. The SMB is, is a cross buyer for the company, and it's really around the world, by the way. It is with new accounts. That's what I mentioned in the prepared remarks, but it is also with the existing accounts. Overall the retention is high in a market where the firms would potentially use the software for a project within the term of their subscription, which is what we're seeing here is that, no, they use a software beyond that term, so maybe because the project goes beyond 1 year or they start to use the software across the projects. But in general, it's -- I mentioned that actually in the last call already, the retention we see in SMB is definitely higher than what we were expecting when we started the initiative many years ago.
Eric Boyer: Next question comes from Clarke Jeffries from Piper Sandler.
Clarke Jeffries: Thanks for taking my question. Nicholas, I -- one thing that stood out to me was the mention of AI being of increasing importance to the [indiscernible] operating of the company. Could you talk about what will be the nearest term effect on the traditional portfolio based off this increased disposition? Are you rethinking monetization opportunities? Are there things that stand out from asset analytics that you think you could port over to the traditional portfolio sooner rather than later?
Nicholas Cumins: There are two, let's say, two areas of investments for AI right now. The one which is ready and in the market is around asset analytics. That's what I was commenting on, saying we're generating quite a bit of traction with this AI-based asset analytics solutions. It's in the U.S. and globally, there was one account that use our solution OpenTower IQ to create digital twins for tens of thousands of towers just in the U.S. And we believe that usage of Digital Twin technology and AI at that scale, it's quite unprecedented. And we also see traction with our solution for rolled maintenance called Blyncsy, the acquisition we did a year ago. We see that with DOTs across the U.S., and we're getting a lot of interest from transportation authorities around the world to the extent that we're exploring in our rolling it out to other geographies, right? Now the business model around asset analytics is completely incremental to the core business because the pricing is based on assets which can be a number of towers or it can be the length of the roadway network. So, it's all on top. And by the way, all of that revenue that we're realizing right now and the growth opening going forward is on top of the total addressable market we've been discussing for years, which was all around the number of engineers and how much more engineering software value we can create with them. Now there's another area of AI, which is quite interesting, and it's around design. This is more in development right now, and we're getting great traction from representative accounts, who we see a huge potential in leveraging AI, again, to get more from less to get more from the existing resources that they have, automating mundane task if need be, for example, drawing production, are simply allowing the engineers to be more effective by acting truly as a Co-Pilot, right? The monetization there will have to be potentially different from some of those capabilities. If we're talking about automation, then a user base pricing, obviously, is not totally adequate, right? You can be sure that whatever efficiency gains we generate, we will capture a fair share of that value.
Eric Boyer: The next question comes from Warren Myers from [indiscernible] Securities.
Unidentified Analyst: Good morning, everybody. Thank you. Just, I guess, one question. What is the status of what, I guess, Bentley is called Phase 2 of your products and platform development? And when do you foresee a meaningful commercial impact in terms of deliverables?
Nicholas Cumins: So, what you're referring to -- for those in the audience who are not fully aware is the adoption of our digital twin technology across the portfolio. Phase 1 was the development of iTwin itself as a platform. Phase 2 is leveraging iTwin capabilities to complement existing applications. Phase 3, by the way, will be totally native digital twin applications that we're working on. So, we actually just released a new version of MicroStation and as promised, it does include capalities that are truly powered by iTwin to enable ad hoc collaboration -- unstructured collaboration, if you want. We just released it. So, this is in tech preview and then we'll keep iterating on it together with our users to make sure that it is as fully fit for purpose. Now in parallel, the phasing can be a bit misleading because you might think we're to Phase 2 and then move the Phase 3 [indiscernible]. But actually, we're working on applications that are truly Phase 3. The application I was referring to, the investments we're doing for an AI-based solution. Actually, the use case is site engineering, it truly is a next-generation engineering application for site engineering, which will be native digital twin, leveraging AI capability, and we expect to launch it at YIA this year at our annual conference.
Eric Boyer: Next question comes from Kristen Owen from Oppenheimer.
Kristen Owen: Good morning. Thank you for taking my question. Nicholas, I wanted to come back to the permitting reform legislation that you discussed in the prepared remarks. You've previously talked about power line systems really sort of sitting on a launch pad, I think, is how you described it, waiting for that permitting bottle next to clear. I'm just wondering, can you speak to the PLS fundamentals today and how you would assess that opportunity unlock? I understand there's a little bit of lag from when the legislation is signed to when we see those bottlenecks clear.
Nicholas Cumins: So, the growth of PLS, without the permitting reform having all of its impact yet is already very strong. There is very strong growth of PLS, still in the U.S., but very strong as well in Canada, very strong in EMEA. And this is all, again, before the permitting reform is having impact, and we see the long-term of potential expansion projects going on, right? And the reason is because of the existing infrastructure, which needs to be able to support the increase because one thing which is not waiting is the increase of demand in electricity. In the U.S., by the way, with the reshoring of companies, with all the incentives for companies to move on from fossil fuel to maybe cleaner sources of energy with electricity. And by the way, all of these data centers, we were talking about AI, data centers that are being created in order to support the usage of AI generated -- AI in particular, which are extremely consuming in terms of electricity. So, it's all about making the most of the existing electric grid, and this is where we see the growth with PLS right now. So now as the permitting reform has impact, and it will take a while, right, for -- in the last quarter, I talked about the federal rule, which was to meet all the environmental reviews, I think within a 2-year schedule, well, they will still take 2 years for these environmental reviews to take place to permitting to be done and then you see the impact on those products moving forward and our software to be used. So, from a PLS standpoint, it means that -- we -- again the full expansion of the electric grid, very strong growth already just by meeting the existing grid be able to support the increase of demand in electricity.
Eric Boyer: The next question comes from Michael Funk from Bank of America (NYSE:BAC).
Michael Funk: A quick question on the ARR growth guidance for the year. Good to see that you're coming within the range that you guided to. And I heard the comments about some of the seasonality in the second half of the year. But maybe just to focus on what you had baked into the high end of the range, [indiscernible] more optimistic scenarios you have baked in that might be driving you below the high end for 2024?
Werner Andre: Well, one of -- I'll remind you that we widened our range from our traditional 2 percentage points to 2.5 percentage points, I think, this year, because asset analytics, the incremental opportunity is mean considerable, and I mentioned that we're on the track to the eight digits of ARR growth from asset analytics alone, but the tier is by the tail, and that could inflect up considerably, and we're in competition for very large procurements, and it is a significant part of top end of ARR growth forecasts to or range to as that come true. But so far in the year, it has come true. And we're very hopeful. I'm just sticking to that aspect.
Michael Funk: And is the timing difficulty, is that more a geopolitical or is that more macro based, do you think, Greg or Nicholas, I don't know who has the best view on that?
Greg Bentley: I think geopolitical exists only in China for us. In the countries of electoral regime change, we think infrastructure investments -- for instance, in the U.K. continues to be a priority in India. I guess that wasn't the regime change, but continues to be a priority. So, the word geocritical for us -- we only use in China, for anti-American concerns. And those continue -- however, are not the only problem in China, with general softness [indiscernible]. And as we say, that China ARR is down to 2.5%. It was 2 -- a little bit more than 2 years ago it was 5%. So that's been a drag on overall ARR growth and hasn't -- is likely to continue. There's 2.5% more [indiscernible]. Nicholas, over to you.
Nicholas Cumins: Indeed, there are no geopolitical concerns. I did mention that there was an expected slowdown in India, which remain solid, nevertheless, because of the elections in Q2, but the government of Modi -- President Modi is quite clear that they want to immediately resume the investments in infrastructure. So that's all very good. There were lots of elections in Europe at the European Union level, we expect continuity. The President rsula von der Leyen has been reconfirmed reelected as the President of the EU Commission. Changes of governments in the U.K., changes of governments in France, but we don't expect any major implication in terms of investment priorities. So indeed, the only area, the only country where for geopolitical reasons, more than political, there are some changes, that's China.
Werner Andre: And we emphasized that the U.S. legislation has been the only place the word bipartisan appears in the U.S. is attached to infrastructure legislation, I am exaggerating a little bit, but we think that's not up for [indiscernible] change.
Eric Boyer: Next question comes from Dylan Becker from William Blair.
Dylan Becker: A nice job here. Maybe, Nicholas, sticking with the energy reform theme to a certain extent. I think, right, people think of infrastructure as public investments. If that gets pulled forward in some capacity, how are you guys thinking about the opportunity for private capital to start flowing into the ecosystem? And maybe what that can mean around kind of like broader investment opportunities?
Nicholas Cumins: The -- I think all boats will rise across public and private for the whole supply chain, including us as software providers there's more investment going into the electric grid beyond maintaining this in grid to expand it. And we know that this is -- we all know it is needed. We must be able to expand electric grid to support the rise of demand in electricity but also to be able to go and take into these renewable sources of energy, which are typically far, far away from where the energy is actually needed, if you think of water, for example, or you think of a solar or you think of geothermal, et cetera, yes? So, the expansion of the grid is needed, and we know that this is indeed going to be benefiting everyone in the supply chain. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some private investments going along the way in order to support.
Eric Boyer: So, the next question comes from Matt Martino from Goldman Sachs (NYSE:GS).
Matthew Martino: Nicholas, just wanted to get an update as well from Werner on just kind of the prospects of your growth algorithm as the year progresses for ARR growth, especially as we get in the back half of the year? Just trying to understand the dynamics between kind of the extent to which renewals, application mix accretion and pricing escalators will factor into the remainder of your growth as we think through the back half of the year. Thank you.
Nicholas Cumins: Is that a question you want to tackle Werner?
Werner Andre: Yes, happy to do. So, we expect, as mentioned in the prepared remarks that our ARR will tick up in the second half of the year there. It is the renewal timing of E365 and the dynamics around floors and ceilings we discussed in the last quarter. It's the ramp of asset analytics deals that we previously discussed, which started to have more traction in Q2, and there's a deal pipeline into the second half of the year that we are positive about that, that will be currently ARR year-over-year growth has a negligible impact from programmatic acquisitions as we go into the second half. We also would expect that there's a little bit more pickup. So that's on timing. With regards to the underlying growth factors we mentioned before, like earlier annual escalations, escalations will be for this year, a little bit of a headwind. So, we expect escalations to come in slightly below the last year is still in the mid-single-digit range we -- we believe we are very reasonable about these collisions and it's predominantly to pass on our own inflation, which is inflation around colleague compensation, our own cloud cost, our one software internal use inflation and so forth. So, pricing is a key component and application mix is, I think also, as we mentioned before, it is a key growth driver for us. It is within the range that we expect. We don't expect like significant changes between H1 and H2 on the application mix the developed as expected. And then new logos also continues to be very strong. We have year-to-date new logo growth at 4%. And -- that is at a historical high for us. It has been high over the last six quarters with 3% to 4%. And so, we will continue to expect that new logos will be strong contributors as we go forward the year.
Werner Andre: Just on escalation, I will remind you about that, we set that once per year. It isn't subject to the termination between the annual setting and it occurred at the beginning of last quarter, I believe -- and that's on the order of a percent or a lower than was the previous year.
Eric Boyer: Next question comes from Siti Panigrahi from Mizuho.
Sitikantha Panigrahi: Thanks for taking my question. Greg and Nicholas, congratulations on your new roles. I want to ask about the current macro environment and potential lower interest rate and U.S. election, how does that impact your business? And could you talk about the train and IIJA spending heading into 2025?
Nicholas Cumins: Yes, I'm happy to -- but do you want to start, Greg or?
Greg Bentley: [indiscernible].
Nicholas Cumins: Okay. So again, from a political standpoint, when it comes to the U.S. elections, I think this is what you're referring to. Infrastructure is a very bipartisan topic. And you heard it in my prepared remarks, when you see the President that signed the Advance Act, which was a bipartisan nuclear energy bill when all of the Senate that has proposed a new bill, which is also bipartisan. It is a topic which reconciles -- everyone, everybody agrees, we need to invest into infrastructure. So, we don't expect that to slow down to change with whatever is the outcome of the elections in the U.S., yes. Overall, as we commented earlier in this Q&A session, the market sentiment is very positive for infrastructure investments in where we operate. Remember that the bulk of our business is with public works utilities. There are parts of our business that are private firms where they may need to raise money, for example, to explore new mines when it comes to mining companies that yes, this has been impacted by the very high interest rates. It has been impacted by the difficulty to be able to raise money to mobilize capital. And this has caused that part of our business to not be as strong as it was maybe just three years ago. But the bulk of our business is really public works utilities. The bulk of our business is coming from public investments. And we don't see any slowdown there. And then IIJA -- with respect to IIJA, again only 38% has been announced. Remember that announced also -- it doesn't mean that it's awarded, that's the next step, and it can take, I don't know, six months, 12 months depending on the projects. Once it's awarded, then the money starts to flow to the extent that the receiving entity is able to start the work. And at that point, then it becomes additional usage of our software, and it becomes a growth opportunity for us. But it means we're still, from that standpoint, early on in the IIJA funding as a tailwind. The still many...
Greg Bentley: If I could just summarize the tone for us from the perspective of the four years now that we've been public. Really the resilience of road and rail and water and grid in the world, the resilience of all those networks has just become recognized as a long-term necessity. It's not a discretionary aspect of public policy. It's the most important thing that governments are responsible for. And we don't think it's subject to sentiment or even politics very much at the moment, it's a consensus priority that's keeping civil-led structural and geopolitical engineers busier than ever they have been with a big backlog of more of the same.
Eric Boyer: Next question comes from Josh Tilton from Wolfe Securities -- Wolfe Research, sorry.
Joshua Tilton: Can you hear me?
Nicholas Cumins: Yes.
Joshua Tilton: Well, congrats on the quarter, and I [indiscernible] my congratulations to Nicholas and Greg. This question is for either of you guys, qualitative and quantitative. So, I guess just, how do you guys think about the durability of double-digit ARR growth in the context of the NRRs kind of tracking in that single-digit range. And as you mentioned, a lot of the new growth is coming from smaller customers. Like -- how do we, as investors, get confidence and conviction in the ability to see that durable double-digit growth rate that we love so much continue from here into the future?
Greg Bentley: Well, I have been on to say for a while if you want to ask about future ARR growth rate, please tell me what assumptions to make about inflation because the escalation, which is one of the layers of it is strictly reactive to the market inflation. And that will tend to normalize. What we think is that the demand environment in unit terms or real terms, the demand environment is not very subject to macro cycles. We used to say, of course, that arguably public spending is even countercyclical. I think that's may be dampened down a bit now because it's as high as it already is. And public finances are concerned, a question earlier about public-private partnerships and private funding, I think even a new government like the labor government in the U.K. is open to greater private financing of infrastructure, I definitely think that lies in the future. So concern wouldn't be demand as far as the durability of our SMB growth and the 4 percentage now of ARR growth that comes there, it's proven to be rather sustained already as we emphasize for multiple years and the engineering firm sentiment, for instance, that Nicholas Cumins reports on is -- includes the sentiments of the smaller firms as well, whom are increasingly being invited to participate in more of network, for instance, of roadway and highway projects, as we mentioned, with PennDOT. So those are reasons to be -- I do agree that for double digits, we need to have both of those things going on. It seems to be subject to the inflation component, the escalation component seems to be rather higher for longer in our perspective.
Eric Boyer: And our last question comes from Blair Abernethy from Rosenblatt Securities.
Blair Abernethy: Just to follow up on the roadway maintenance business. Can you -- now that you've had a couple of quarters under your belt with this, what sort of the selling cycle looking like now in terms of timing? How long does it take you to introduce pilot and sort of get this thing get the revenue ramp coming up for Bentley?
Greg Bentley: Well, the full state that has most recently come up, started with a that -- that went for three months. So, it was a [indiscernible]. So, I think it's like that, it's a matter of quarters, but the great thing about selling to departments of transportation, for instance, and the highway maintenance is not applicable along with the states, but also at the county and municipal level and so forth. It is -- they're not competitive with one another. They eagerly their innovation and birds of the feather, and they're closely looking at the successes that they're all now also subject to a federal requirement, which hasn't yet become [indiscernible] to report on and maintain the [indiscernible], which is a particularly good application for our buying in the asset analytics. So that doesn't need to take on, and that is part of the enthusiasm we have for exiting this year with a very steep slope in asset analytics. And the question we had earlier with AI, are we folding that into existing products that had been our direction with in platform, but asset analytics as Nicholas said, is entirely incremental, charging per accident. And generally, Nicholas -- insight new bills -- new executive group way of looking at things is the asset operations is this biggest next generational opportunity for us in asset analytics -- kicks that off, and it doesn't need to take long for it to become literally significant, and I think it can be significant in AI -- excuse me, ARR growth rate by the end of the year. Nicholas last word to you?
Nicholas Cumins: It's a very easy so, because it's a very easy solution to deploy. It's very easy to show the impact of it because it generates insights so quickly from dashcam data, et cetera. Overall, as Greg said, asset analytics is usually exciting because it does tie to the much bigger growth opportunity we have with asset operations, which, by the way, is also a massive growth opportunity for the engineering services firms that we serve that many of them as busy as they are right now, on the projects, many of them are expanding their business or want to expand their business, nevertheless, beyond the Hannibal [ph] points of the infrastructure assets, they want to have a more recurring business, if you want, with owner operators to help them for maintenance, and we happen to have software to help them do exactly that. So, it's a hugely exciting growth opportunity for us at many levels.
Greg Bentley: Maybe I can just say that that's what I referred to in my quote where I would say that the -- even though we work hard and do well in this particular quarter is one that really impressed me in terms of balance, visibility, linearity and so forth. But the focus on the long term and especially the asset operations opportunity is really what we're interesting on next increment in TAM and growth to get back to your question about that. Now I think it's in great hands with our [indiscernible] focusing there. You can see, we had we're way ahead on profitability this year so far. But that's not what we want. We want to have a predictable 100 basis points increment in our efficiency and margins every year and otherwise invest everything we can into long-term futures. And that's what asset analytics, the asset operations, we will have some return to programmatic acquisitions in these areas iterating.
Eric Boyer: Thanks. So, that concludes our call today. We thank you for your interest in time in Bentley Systems. Please reach out to Investor Relations with further questions and follow-up, and we look forward to updating you on our performance in coming quarters.
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