Hudson (NYSE:HUD) Technologies (NASDAQ: HDSN) has reported a decline in revenues for the first quarter of 2024, attributing the decrease to lower refrigerant prices and reduced revenue from its Defense Logistics Agency (DLA) contract. Despite a strong balance sheet with no debt, the company has acknowledged that the current pricing environment is likely to hinder the achievement of its long-term targets for 2025, though it remains optimistic about future increases in refrigerant sales prices and the long-term benefits of the American Innovation and Manufacturing (AIM) Act.
Key Takeaways
- Hudson Technologies' Q1 2024 revenue fell to $65.3 million, a 15% drop compared to Q1 2023.
- The company reported a gross margin of 33%, operating income of $12.8 million, and net income of $9.6 million.
- Stockholders' equity increased to $238.6 million, with available funds at $82.5 million.
- Challenges include lower pricing for certain refrigerants and decreased revenue from the DLA contract.
- The company is exploring growth through potential acquisitions and benefits from the phasedown of HFC consumption.
Company Outlook
- Hudson Technologies is not confident in meeting its 2025 targets under the current market conditions.
- An increase in refrigerant sales prices is anticipated as virgin HFC production tightens.
- The EPA's final Refrigerant Management rule, expected in late summer, may influence pricing dynamics.
- The company maintains a positive long-term perspective, expecting higher sales prices and profitability as the AIM Act progresses.
Bearish Highlights
- The company has temporarily withdrawn its 2025 gross margin target.
- The stockpile of HFCs at the end of 2022 was reported to be 129% of the cap, which may be pressuring current prices.
- SG&A expenses have increased, impacting profitability.
Bullish Highlights
- R-22 pricing remains stable without a significant stockpile.
- The reclaimed refrigerants market is proving more profitable than virgin refrigerants.
- Significant price growth in HFC has been observed, with current pricing much higher than initial EBITDA projections.
Misses
- Revenue from the DLA contract was $5 million lower than the previous year, totaling $8 million for the quarter.
Q&A Highlights
- The company is considering acquisitions that align with its growth strategy and customer base.
- A mandate for the use of reclaimed refrigerants may lead to higher pricing due to increased demand and lower carbon footprint.
- Stock buybacks are not a current priority, as the company is focused on strategic acquisitions, although they are seeking a waiver from lenders that may allow for future stock repurchases.
In conclusion, Hudson Technologies is navigating a challenging market with strategic plans for growth and adaptation to regulatory changes. The company's focus on acquisitions and the potential benefits from the AIM Act's impact on the industry offer a glimpse of optimism for its longer-term prospects. Hudson Technologies' stockholders and employees remain integral to the company's resilience and adaptability in a fluctuating market.
InvestingPro Insights
Despite facing a tough quarter, Hudson Technologies (NASDAQ: HDSN) presents several positive financial metrics that could interest investors. The company's strong balance sheet is highlighted by its ability to hold more cash than debt, which is a reassuring sign of financial health. Additionally, the latest data from InvestingPro shows that Hudson Technologies has a market capitalization of $446.01 million and is trading at an attractive earnings multiple with a P/E ratio of 8.6 and an adjusted P/E ratio for the last twelve months as of Q1 2024 of 9.64.
InvestingPro Tips suggest that the stock may be in oversold territory, as indicated by its RSI, which could imply a potential buying opportunity for investors who believe in the company's fundamentals and long-term strategy. Moreover, the company is expected to be profitable this year, which is consistent with its positive net income in Q1 2024.
Investors looking for more detailed analysis and additional InvestingPro Tips can find them on the platform. As of the latest update, there are 10 more tips available for Hudson Technologies, which can be accessed at https://www.investing.com/pro/HDSN. For those considering a subscription, use the coupon code PRONEWS24 to get an additional 10% off a yearly or biyearly Pro and Pro+ subscription.
The InvestingPro Fair Value metric also provides an interesting perspective, valuing the stock at $13.01, which is below the current analyst target of $14.38 but suggests that the stock may have room to grow from its previous close of $9.92.
Overall, while Hudson Technologies faces industry headwinds, the financial data and InvestingPro Tips offer a nuanced view that may be beneficial for investors considering the stock's potential.
Full transcript - Hudson Tech (NASDAQ:HDSN) Q1 2024:
Operator: Greetings. Welcome to the Hudson Technologies First Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] Please note this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Jen Belodeau. You may begin.
Jennifer Belodeau: Thank you. Good evening and welcome to our conference call to discuss Hudson Technologies financial results for the first quarter 2024. On the call today are Brian Coleman, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Nat Krishnamurti, Chief Financial Officer. I'll now take a moment to read the safe harbor statement. During the course of this conference call, we'll make certain forward-looking statements, all statements that address expectations, opinions or predictions about the future are forward-looking statements. Although they reflect our current expectations and are based on our best view of the industry and our businesses, as we see them today, they are not guarantees of future performance. Please understand that these statements involve a number of risks and assumptions. And since those elements can change, and in certain cases are not within our control, we would ask that you consider and interpret them in that light. We urge you to review Hudson's most recent Form 10-K and other subsequent SEC filings for a discussion of the principal risks and uncertainties that affect our business and our performance and other factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially. With that out of the way, I'll turn the call over to Brian Coleman. Go ahead, Brian.
Brian Coleman: Thank you. Good evening and thank you for joining us. Our 2024 selling season has kicked off largely as we expected with our first quarter revenues reflecting a difficult comparison to the first quarter of 2023, which was characterized by higher pricing for certain refrigerants as well as higher volume in 2023 from our DLA contract. As we detailed in the last quarter's earnings release, in 2023, we saw the highest annual revenue generated by our DLA contract at $53 million for that year. That amount included approximately $20 million, which was evenly spread across 2023 related to increased DLA-specific program activities that may not be repeated in 2024. During the first quarter of 2024, our industry saw pricing for certain refrigerants decline by approximately 20% as compared to pricing levels during the first quarter of 2023 with HFC prices currently at approximately $8 per pound. Pricing maybe impacted by factors including the current supply of certain refrigerants in the market and weather. The reduction in refrigerant pricing was slightly offset by increased carbon credit sales and increased service projects during the quarter. With the challenging pricing environment, our margin performance was below our long-term target. However, we delivered solid profitability. Based on the current pricing levels, we do not believe the long-term targets we set in 2022 for the full-year 2025 will be achievable at this time. We will address our long-term view as we progress through this sales season, and we will have more visibility once the EPA's final Refrigerant Management rule is published and we will have the opportunity to evaluate its long-term impact. With that said, if current pricing levels continue for the balance of the 2024 selling season, we would anticipate full-year revenue in the range of $250 million to $265 million, with gross margin below our targeted 35%. Given the ongoing step down in virgin HFC production, as supply tightens, we do expect to see an increase in the sales price for certain refrigerants, but the timing is difficult to predict. In the meantime, the lower pricing dynamic provides us the opportunity to replenish our inventory with lower cost refrigerants that we could then sell later this year and certainly next year. To be clear, we view the current pricing dynamic to be temporary in nature, and our longer term expectation of higher prices similar to the prior phase-outs remains the same. Our balance sheet is strong with no debt providing us with the financial flexibility as we move through 2024, and our industry navigates the continued and ongoing implementation of the AIM Act. Our selling season comprises nine months from January through September, and while it's still early, we believe the 2024 season will provide valuable visibility related to the ongoing HFC phasedown and the expected corresponding supply/demand imbalance. Moreover, the EPA has referred to the proposed Refrigerant Management rule as the third leg in the AIM Act implementation. We expect this proposed rule to be final in late summer of this year. While we expect to see pricing increases as demand begins to outweigh supply due to the phasedown of HFC consumption allowances, it is difficult to predict exactly when this imbalance will occur and begin to drive increased HFC pricing. However, we and others in our industry, firmly believe that it's not a question of if tighter supply dynamics will take place with resulting heightened pricing, but a question of when this dynamic will begin to kick in. With our established customer and vendor network as well as our industry-leading reclamation technology, we believe Hudson is well positioned to benefit as virgin HFC refrigerant production is compressed and the industry begins to rely more meaningfully on reclaimed refrigerants to service the existing installed base of cooling and refrigeration equipment. The EPA's proposed Refrigerant Management rule includes language mandating the use of reclaimed refrigerants for certain applications and equipment. If the final rule is in line with the proposed rule, the industry will see the first federal requirement for the mandatory use of reclaimed refrigerants relative to specific sectors of the industry. These mandates may lead to a pricing differential between virgin sourced-refrigerants versus reclaimed refrigerants, with reclaimed refrigerants priced at higher levels. This would be a much different pricing dynamic compared to what we've experienced over the past 20 years. Certain states are also implementing legislation or have proposals under consideration for the mandated use of reclaimed refrigerants. In 2025, for example, California has established a mandate for the use of reclaimed refrigerants in state governed-facilities. Additionally, late last year, the EPA issued a final Technology Transition rule, promoting the introduction of lower GWP systems for new construction starting in 2025 as well as a conversion of the current estimated installed base of $125 million HFC in legacy systems over the next 20 years. Hudson is refrigerant agnostic, with the ability to provide any and all types of refrigerant and service any and all types of systems. So we are well positioned to serve our customers as the industry gradually transitions to next-generation refrigerants and equipment. Indeed, both legislative and regulatory environments are favorable to Hudson. In line with our support of the transition to more efficient and environmentally friendly cooling equipment and refrigerant management, we are actively involved in promoting the practice of refrigerant recovery. Because without recovered gas, you have no opportunity to produce reclaimed refrigerants. To that end, during the first quarter, we intended and presented at various industry conferences, including the Air Conditioning Contractors of America; HVAC Excellence; Plumbing-Heating-Cooling Contractors Association Conference; and Air-Conditioning, Heating, Refrigeration Expo, to discuss the importance of recovering refrigerant during service calls. We take pride in being a thought leader and helping the industry transition to the new rules. As we navigate through the 2024 selling season, we remain focused on what we can control. Meeting our customer needs today while ensuring their seamless transition to next generation and lower GWP cooling technologies as our industry evolves. Now I'll turn the call over to Nat to review the financials. Go ahead, Nat.
Nat Krishnamurti: Thank you, Brian. For the first quarter ended March 31, 2024, Hudson recorded revenues of $65.3 million, a decrease of 15% compared to revenues of $77.2 million in the comparable 2023 period. The decrease was primarily related to decreased selling prices for certain refrigerants and lower revenue from the company's DLA contract as compared to the first quarter of 2023 as expected. Gross margin was 33% for the first quarter of 2024 as compared to 39% in the first quarter of 2023. SG&A for the first quarter of 2024 was $7.9 million compared to $7 million in the first quarter of 2023. SG&A has grown as the company invests more in personnel and IT costs. We recorded operating income of $12.8 million in the first quarter of 2024 compared to operating income of $22.7 million in the first quarter of 2023. The company recorded net income of $9.6 million or $0.21 per basic and $0.20 per diluted share in the first quarter of 2024 compared to net income of $15.5 million or $0.34 per basic and $0.33 per diluted share in the same period of 2023. The company recorded $3 million of income tax expense in the first quarter of 2024 compared to a tax expense of $5.3 million in the first quarter of 2023. The effective tax rates for future periods are expected to reflect an overall combined federal and state rate of 26%, subject to various temporary and permanent differences. Stockholders' equity improved to $238.6 million at March 31, 2024, as compared to $228.8 million at December 31, 2023. The company's availability, consisting of cash and revolver availability at March 31, 2024, was $82.5 million. As we generate additional cash flow in 2024, we expect to: one, ensure we have adequate inventory on hand; two, review any possible M&A opportunities; and three, consider potential share buybacks. We have strong liquidity, and our revolving loan credit facility provides us with a solid financial platform and flexibility as we look forward. I will now turn the call back over to Brian.
Brian Coleman: Thank you, Nat. We maintain our positive longer-term view for the significantly higher sales prices and profitability from the continued and ongoing impact of the AIM Act. While 2024 maybe a challenging year towards our long-term objectives, it should be noted we are still early in this year's season. Operator, we'll now open the call to questions.
Operator: Thank you. At this time, we will be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Ryan Sigdahl with Craig-Hallum. Please proceed.
Ryan Sigdahl: Hey. Good afternoon, guys.
Brian Coleman: Hey. Good afternoon.
Ryan Sigdahl: I want to start on pricing, I guess. What do you think are the main causes for the lackluster pricing to start the season thus far? And then second to that, I guess, lower HFC pricing in 2024 benefits inventory replenishment. So I guess, why would that negatively impact 2025 gross margin targets of 35%? I would think that would be positive.
Brian Coleman: So back to the first part of your question, the current pricing dynamic. We had always expected prices to be higher around this time in connection with the overall implementation of the AIM Act. However, the counterbalance to that had been what type of stockpile might have come in, particularly in the 2021 year. Unfortunately, initially, let's say, back in 2022, that data wasn't available. But more recently and it's public to everyone, the EPA has published under something called the Data Hub that in the 2021 year, it looks like we had imported and made available about 1.5x the annual cap. So that, if you will, in that year, there's an extra half a year that we would consider as stockpile. Furthermore, the EPA has provided the December 31, 2022 inventory data. Now the total number looks like it's about 129% of the cap. And may, therefore, mean that some amount of stockpile has been sold out in that 2022 year, although we don't know for certain. So we definitely believe right now, and how long it may occur in this 2024 selling season, is the pricing is being affected probably because of the stockpile more than anything else. We obviously are going to begin to see warmer weather. Warmer weather without a doubt creates further demand and so forth. So that's the first part. The second part to your question, we're not saying that 2025, we're not going to get back to the targeted gross margins. What we just are simply saying for the moment that we're taking down that 2025 target that we established. We still believe we're going to get back to the longer-term targets of the gross margin of 35%. But for the current year and the current year only, we provided guidance relative to the full-year that basically is freezing pricing at, let's say, this $8 a pound HFCs that we're currently seeing today and running that through the balance of the year. So what we're trying to present is if pricing for this year maintains exactly the way it is at this moment in time, these are the range of outcomes. And the gross margin for this year would be below the target. But as we get through the rest of this year, and let's say we're into around September, we'll certainly know where pricing is for the year and pricing maybe higher. But more importantly, we'll also understand what the final Refrigerant Management rule is, and that will then allow us to provide more long-term guidance and likely return to that more long-term gross margin target of 35%.
Ryan Sigdahl: Got you. Two clarification questions. What was DLA revenue in the quarter? And what was it last year? And then I'll maybe start with that and one quick follow-up.
Brian Coleman: Yes. So the DLA, as we said, let's say, the last year-end call, should run at about $8 million a quarter. And right now, that's where we are, which would be $5 million lower, roughly compared to 2023. And so that's what we expect. Now it doesn't mean we can't sell more than that, but we were trying to call out what we think were more one-time, surge-type-related purchases. But we maybe wrong in that. And so right now, the first quarter ended up where we thought it would in terms of that more normalized approximately $33 million annual run rate.
Ryan Sigdahl: And then what was R-22 pricing in the quarter? And do you think you'll grow reclamation volume in your 2024 guidance for R-22? Thanks.
Brian Coleman: Yes. R-22, in a few instances, prices have come under $30 a pound. But in other instances, prices are over $30 a pound. So 22 right now isn't overly impacted in terms of price sensitivity, certainly not in the way that HFCs are. Because again, back to 2022, we don't believe there's any real material stockpiles out there.
Ryan Sigdahl: Great. Thanks, guys. Good luck.
Brian Coleman: Thank you.
Operator: The next question comes from Josh Nichols with B. Riley. Please proceed.
Joshua Nichols: Yes. Thanks for taking my question. First off, really good to see the company providing some additional detail about the quarter and the outlook overall. Just for clarification, I know you mentioned there were some carbon credits and service sales in the quarter. Just so I could get a better idea, what were those, if you don't mind disclosing them? Just so I could kind of help triangulate how things maybe shaping up for 2Q.
Brian Coleman: Yes. They're not very large dollars, hundreds of thousands of dollars versus millions of dollars, for example. But like, for example, the carbon market, overall, the prices for carbon offsets have continued to increase over time. Now like everything else, things could go up or that things could go down. But there's been a pretty strong consistency with increased prices for carbon offset projects as it correlates to California's mandated pricing for carbon. So each year, we tend to get, let's say, slightly higher margin when we execute a trade of a carbon instrument. But the dollars are relatively low. And the service business is running in that $7 million to $8 million total for the year. It's just that Q1 was up a little bit compared to last year, but we're not talking millions of dollars.
Joshua Nichols: Got it. And then, well, admittedly, obviously, pricing for HFC as being down is going to be a headwind, at least for the time being and maybe that changes over the coming months. But well, that is a potential headwind for the companies, operationally speaking. I'm just curious, does that make things more attractive on the M&A front? Are there better pricing that you're able to get on potential acquisitions? Are you looking at larger deals and getting close to potentially the finish line for maybe closing something this year? I'm just curious your thoughts on the M&A environment overall.
Brian Coleman: Yes. We won't comment about exact timing. But your assumption that, let's say, folks could consider they have a pot of gold because, let's say, pricing in 2022 was 40% higher than where we are today, certainly, they've come back to Earth. So I do think your assumption that the negotiation is, let's say, slightly more favorable today than if we had executed something, say, two years ago or so. So the opportunities are there. The areas that we've always talked about are reclaimers. But as it relates to reclaimers, generally speaking, they would be few in number and lower dollars. There maybe opportunities in distribution. They would tend to, again, be few in number, but higher dollars. And then I think the wide-open space for acquisitions is in the contractor space.
Joshua Nichols: Thanks for clarifying on that. And then just for context, I know we're kind of only a month into the – what is typically the company's strongest quarter here in 2Q, but some of the headwinds get a little bit better. I know pricing maybe a little bit softer. But if you just kind of think about it contextually where pricing is, in the first quarter, right, revenue was down around 15% year-over-year, including that DLA contract headwind and pricing being down around 20%. Fair to assume that when we're looking at 2Q on an apples-to-apples basis, at least based on how things are today, that you'd see pricing down. But maybe it's down more like 10% to 15% instead of 15% plus just because the comps are a little bit better in 2Q of 2023 versus 1Q.
Brian Coleman: You're exactly right. Going back to 2023, we started the year much higher than we started this year. But probably in about June of 2023, we were seeing those $8 a pound prices that continue probably until about September-ish. And then we started to see a slight uptick getting closer to $10. But that $10 really didn't kick in until September-ish. Almost no material impact to Q3. It had more of an impact on Q4.
Joshua Nichols: That's it for me. Thanks guys. I'll hop back in the queue.
Brian Coleman: Well, thank you, too. Appreciate it.
Operator: [Operator Instructions] The next question comes from Austin Moeller with Canaccord. Please proceed.
Austin Moeller: Hi. Good afternoon, Brian and Nat. My first question here, what is the latest that you're hearing from the DLA on the potential for more advanced procurement in the second half? I mean it sounds like they're currently purchasing at the rates that you expected in the first quarter so far and you expect that run rate. But I guess there's opportunity there for improvement in the second half. But I guess, what have they communicated to you?
Brian Coleman: Unfortunately, there isn't a lot of visibility and/or communication because the contract is constructed as an indefinite quantity. So that's why we had to make an estimate on our side of what we thought might be more surge-related or less potential recurring in the 2024 year. But to your point, and as we tried to say before, it doesn't mean we won't see some of that come back in the 2024 year. But we were trying to, let's say, level-set expectations that, let's say, a $32 million, $33 million run rate on an annual basis, while higher than it used to be at around $25 million, less likely that we would see it in $40 million to $50 million as we did in 2023.
Austin Moeller: Okay. That's helpful. And then just a follow-up. Do you expect that the tightening of HFC supply this year, combined with the requirements under the refrigerant management rule for reclaimed in certain industrial units and other new units, to be what's really needed to permanently drive prices higher, just given where that inventory stockpile is at?
Brian Coleman: Well, we always look at the stockpile that it's a one-time event. Once the stockpile is sold, it's gone. And back to the current year, we do believe that the 40% overall reduction or 30% further from where we were last year does create a drawdown on that stockpile. Does it use up all that stockpile or not in the 2024 year, that's the difficult thing to predict. So you have that particular element. But then as it relates to the refrigerant management rule, and again, depending on how the final rule comes out, once we start to get into a situation where there's a mandate for the use of reclaimed, then we believe there is a potential departure of pricing or refrigerants, irrespective of reclaimed or virgin. And that possibly reclaimed, because it will have a demand, maybe in a position to be priced slightly higher. Certainly, from an environmental footprint point of view, reclaimed is more valuable than virgin if you want to measure an ESG component to this. Because under the American Carbon Registry, reclaimed refrigerants have about one-tenth the carbon footprint. So if you want to calculate that delta and put a value on carbon, you could certainly put a value, and reclaimed refrigerants should be priced higher as well. So part of the calculus to redetermine when we expect to be able to achieve, for example, a $400 million revenue target goes back to, in some respects, how the EPA implements that refrigerant management rule. Now one of the things that we suggested doesn't mean that the EPA will do it, but they did offer a comment, is to initiate the reclaim mandates earlier, but start at a lower percentage. So the way the proposed rule was constructed, the EPA started with 100% reclaimed demand use in 2028. We suggest it start in 2025 and work your way up to that 100%, as an example. So when we see the final rule, we'll then be able to evaluate how we think the reclaim side of our business model, which is the most profitable side. Generally, our gross margin or our profit profile on the sale of a pound of reclaimed is twice as great as compared to virgin. How that will help impact our profitability and revenue growth.
Austin Moeller: Great. Thanks for the color.
Operator: Okay. Up next, we have Gerry Sweeney with ROTH Capital. Please proceed.
Gerry Sweeney: Good afternoon, Brian and Nat. Thanks for taking my call.
Brian Coleman: Hello. Good afternoon.
Gerry Sweeney: Just a follow-up question on acquisitions. Most of my other questions have been answered. But obviously, you discussed reclaimers, distributors and contractors. If you had your choice, where would you think the best option would be strategically for Hudson? From my perspective, I would think you would want to be looking at the contractor space. And I know there's different dynamics around what comes first. But I'm just curious as to where you think would be best for the strategic positioning of Hudson.
Brian Coleman: That's sort of a difficult question to answer. Each potential bucket has opportunities. But really, again, it goes back to our overall acquisition strategy. We've never tried to acquire anyone or anything and rely on synergies or rely on overall ability to absorb overhead or whatever the case maybe. We've always tried to look at acquisitions in the context of one and one is more than two, or that there's a growth strategy associated with that particular target. And so like we've said before that, we want to look at their customer base and their offerings and understand if we could apply their offerings to our customer base or, in more times than not, add our offerings to their customers and then drive growth that way. And ultimately, we talked about this many times, if you really go back and look at how we did the Airgas (NYSE:ARG) acquisition, that was exactly the proposition. Airgas was mainly selling HFCs. We knew the long-term opportunity was HFCs. We knew there would be significant price growth in HFC. But we're buying that EBITDA based on $2 and $3 pricing for HFCs, which we now, at least, are seeing $8. Now we thought we would see it higher than it is today. So that was part of the strategy. Also part of that strategy was that they really weren't procuring recovered gas from that customer base. Whereas generally, our historical customer base, we do a buy-and-sell relationship. And so that we felt that it was an opportunity to be able to acquire more gas as well. So that's how we're going to look at any and all acquisition going forward, irrespective of what bucket they're in. And we do think that there's going to be opportunities for acquisitions that will fit that growth model.
Gerry Sweeney: Okay. Got it. All right. That's it for me. I appreciate it. Thank you.
Brian Coleman: Well thank you too, Gerry.
Nat Krishnamurti: Thank you.
Operator: Okay. We have a follow-up coming from Ryan Sigdahl with Craig-Hallum. Please proceed.
Ryan Sigdahl: Hey. Just one follow-up. A lot of questions around M&A. But with your stock at this valuation, I guess, why not just buy back your own stock instead?
Brian Coleman: Again, we could do that, but we've always said that, that's sort of the third option. The first option we always have talked about is inventory. But I think we mentioned this in the year-end earnings call, we don't see the need for more dollars in inventory, let's say, when you compare what we believe the inventory balance to be at December 31 of 2024 compared to 2023. So that's kind of, let's say, locked down from a working capital point of view. So then you're back to two remaining buckets, acquisitions and buyback. Acquisitions, we still believe the return on those dollars should be far greater than any return we would have on buying back our stock. Now our current ABL precludes us from buying back our stock. But we do believe if we went to our lender, we would be able to get a waiver for that. But at the end of the day, at the moment, we're, let's say, focused more on the acquisition opportunities.
Ryan Sigdahl: Just a clarification. You don't have anything drawn on the revolver, but it still restricts you from buying back stock.
Brian Coleman: Correct. So unfortunately, the way any of these ABLs are constructed, they're encumbering your assets irrespective of your borrowings. And typically, the way these are constructed is they preclude any cash outflows that are not going to the business itself. And so that's – typically an ABL will – even though you have no outstanding balance, will restrict you both on dividends and buybacks. But as I said, I think there's an opportunity, if we choose to go to the lender and get a waiver for that.
Ryan Sigdahl: Appreciate the clarification. Thanks, guys.
Brian Coleman: Thank you.
Operator: We have reached the end of the question-and-answer session, and I will now turn the call over to management for closing remarks.
Brian Coleman: Thank you, operator. I'd like to thank our employees for their continued support and dedication to our business and both our long-time shareholders and those that recently joined us for their support. We look forward to speaking with you after the first quarter results – sorry, after the second quarter results, sorry about that. And have a good night, everybody.
Operator: This concludes today's conference and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.
This article was generated with the support of AI and reviewed by an editor. For more information see our T&C.