During the second quarter earnings call, Townsquare Media (NYSE: NYSE:TSQ) CEO Bill Wilson outlined the company's performance and future outlook. Despite a slight 2.5% decrease in net revenue year-over-year, the company met its previous guidance and showed strong growth in programmatic digital advertising, counterbalanced by a weaker national digital advertising segment.
The digital business, making up more than half of the company's total net revenue in the first half of the year, and Townsquare Interactive, the company's subscription digital marketing solutions business, displayed signs of recovery with increased net subscribers and revenue growth.
Wilson highlighted the launch of a new SaaS-based business management platform and the company's strategic advantage in first-party data analytics. Looking forward, Townsquare expects an uptick in digital advertising revenue in the latter half of the year and expressed confidence in the company's long-term growth, underscored by a solid balance sheet and robust cash flow.
Key Takeaways
- Net revenue down 2.5% year-over-year, aligning with previous forecasts.
- Programmatic digital advertising revenue grew, while national digital advertising showed weakness.
- The digital business contributed to 52% of total net revenue in the first half of the year.
- Townsquare Interactive saw 275 net subscriber additions in Q2 and month-over-month revenue growth.
- Launched a new SaaS-based business management platform.
- The company repurchased $22 million in shares and plans to continue debt reduction.
- Quarterly dividend of $0.1975 per share to be paid on November 1.
- Q3 net revenue projected to be between $114 million and $116 million; full-year revenue guidance narrowed to $440 million to $455 million.
Company Outlook
- CEO Wilson expects digital advertising revenue to improve in the second half of 2024.
- White labeling digital advertising solutions to broadcasters in new markets is a possibility.
- The company is set up for long-term growth, with a significant addressable market for Townsquare Interactive.
- Broadcast advertising revenue remained stable; political revenue saw a strong increase.
- Townsquare Media anticipates stronger financial results in the second half of 2024 and a robust 2025.
Bearish Highlights
- Townsquare Interactive's net revenue declined by 13% year-over-year.
- Profit decreased by 10% compared to the previous year.
Bullish Highlights
- Townsquare Interactive showed sequential improvement from Q1.
- The company expects to see year-over-year revenue growth in Q4.
- Strong cash flow from operations ($10.7 million) and a solid balance sheet with $29 million in cash were reported.
Misses
- Revenue loss of $8 million from Townsquare Interactive in 2023, with an expected loss of $7 million in 2024.
Q&A Highlights
- The company is not concerned about cannibalization from white labeling as the target customer base is large.
- Partnerships with broadcasters and local agencies for white labeling are potential growth avenues.
- The core radio business has held up well, with a focus on smaller markets and monetizing digital revenue.
- The broadcast business is expected to slightly decline over the next five years while still effectively serving local communities.
Townsquare Media's CEO Bill Wilson also addressed the wider media landscape, noting the decline of competitors due to COVID-19, which has allowed the company's websites to capture 70% of the adult population in their markets monthly. He reiterated the company's digital-first strategy and the local broadcast business's role as a cash-generating yet declining asset. Wilson concluded the call with a note of gratitude and a promise to update stakeholders in the coming quarter.
InvestingPro Insights
Townsquare Media (NYSE: TSQ) has demonstrated resilience in its second-quarter performance, with particular strengths and strategic moves that suggest a robust approach to its financial and operational strategy. InvestingPro Tips highlight several key factors that investors should take into consideration:
1. Management's proactive approach to capital allocation is evident in their aggressive share buyback program, signaling confidence in the intrinsic value of the company.
2. Shareholders are benefiting from a high yield, with a noteworthy dividend yield of 7.12% as of the latest dividend ex-date on July 15, 2024.
InvestingPro Data further provides a snapshot of the company's financial health and market perception:
- The market capitalization stands at a modest $168.72 million, reflecting the size and valuation of the company within its industry.
- Despite recent challenges, analysts predict profitability this year, with a forward P/E Ratio (Adjusted) for the last twelve months as of Q1 2024 at 7.51.
- The stock has experienced volatility, as indicated by a 1-week price total return of -8.2%, yet it has managed to maintain a strong return over the last five years.
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Full transcript - Townsquare Media LLC (TSQ) Q2 2024:
Operator: Good morning, and welcome to Townsquare Media's Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded, and your participation implies consent to such recording. [Operator Instructions]. With that, I would like to introduce the first speaker for today's call, Claire Yenicay, Executive Vice President. Please go ahead.
Claire Yenicay: Thank you, operator, and good morning to everyone. Thank you for joining us today for Townsquare's second quarter financial update. With me on the call today are Bill Wilson, our CEO; and Stuart Rosenstein, our CFO and Executive Vice President. Please note that during this call, we may make statements that provide information other than historical information, including statements relating to the company's future expectations, plans and prospects. These statements are considered forward-looking statements under the safe harbor provision of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from these statements. These statements reflect the company's beliefs based on current conditions that are subject to certain risks and uncertainties, including those that are detailed in the company's annual report on Form 10-K filed with the SEC. We may also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA and adjusted operating income by segment, which we may refer to as profit in our remarks. Such non-GAAP financial measures should be used in conjunction with all the information contained in the quarterly, year-end and current reports available on our website. I also encourage all participants to go to our corporate website and download our investor presentation as Bill will reference some of those slides during our discussion this morning. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Bill Wilson.
Bill Wilson: Thank you, Claire, and thank you all for joining us this morning. It's great to reconnect with everyone. We're very pleased to share with you that Townsquare's performance continues to improve and strengthen as expected and is sequentially progressing each quarter as I forecasted on our earnings call in May. On that call, you may remember that I projected that second quarter net revenue would be down negative 2% to negative 3% year-over-year, and net revenue came in directly at the middle point, down negative 2.5%, a sequential improvement from Q1 results. I also projected that Townsquare Interactive would return to quarterly net subscriber additions and also return to sequential quarterly revenue growth, which I am pleased to report was achieved. I also projected that Q2's digital advertising net revenue would perform similarly to Q1, and it did just that. The quote-unquote solid growth in programmatic digital advertising revenue that I expected came in at a strong plus 9% year-over-year, again, sequential improvement from Q1. This was offset by weakness in national digital advertising, which again was expected and forecasted. I also projected on our last earnings call that second quarter broadcast net revenue would be flat to down negative 1%. And I'm glad to report that broadcast advertising performed at the higher end, coming in flat to prior year, which again was a sequential improvement from Q1. In essence, we executed and delivered on what we said we would do. As a result of each segment performing as we expected, Townsquare's second quarter results met our previously issued guidance for both net revenue and adjusted EBITDA. It is also worth noting that we purchased just under $20 million of bonds at a discount year-to-date through July and that our bonds recently received an upgrade from S&P Global. We believe that now and going forward, our digital business is a true differentiator for Townsquare and will soon return to historical revenue growth rates of mid to high single digits. As highlighted on Slides 8 and 12 in the investor presentation, in the first half of 2024, approximately 52% of our company's total net revenue came from digital solutions, more than double the industry average, and 51% of our total profit came from digital solutions. This highlights the point we often make and can't state enough. Townsquare is no longer the radio broadcast company it was when it was founded in 2010, nor the company was when we went public a decade ago. Townsquare has evolved and transformed into a digital-first local media company that is truly distinguished from our local media peers, validating our focus on markets outside of the top 50 U.S. cities with a world-class team and a unique and differentiated strategy, assets, platforms and solutions. This critical point of differentiation has fortified my confidence in our business model and our path forward over the next number of years. Our digital advertising net revenue growth, as I just noted, was driven by great strength in our digital programmatic advertising revenue, which increased plus 9% in Q2 as compared to the prior year, and this was offset by national digital advertising revenue declines. Fortunately, just as with our Broadcast Advertising business, nationally owned and operated brands like Taste of Country, XXL, Loudwire, is only a small portion of our Digital Advertising business at roughly 6%. And therefore, we were still able to deliver digital advertising revenue growth in the quarter in line with our expectations that we shared on our last call. Excluding national advertising revenues, digital advertising net revenue would have grown at a mid-single digit growth rate in the second quarter, demonstrating the strength and differentiation of our offerings and the ongoing demand from our local clients. All in all, we owe our digital advertising success to our sophisticated digital products and solutions, which are entirely in-house, giving us 100% control of the client relationship, starting with the client pitch, then campaign design, media buying and optimization and ongoing reporting and insights, which we believe translates to a better customer experience, higher average spend and higher client retention rates. In addition, we have the unique ability to collect and analyze first-party data from our audience of over 70 million monthly unique visitors to our portfolio of over 400 local news and entertainment websites, 400 mobile apps and 10 leading national music and entertainment websites. This very large first-party data set allows us to provide detailed and unique insights about consumer behaviors, audience interest and purchase intent that drive real results with strong return on investment for our clients, giving us a true strategic advantage over our local competition. We are very confident in our ability to continue to grow this business and capitalize on our competitive advantages in our local cities. Owning our tech platforms in-house, combined with the breadth of our digital solutions and quality of our first-party data, is a competitive advantage in any size market. Yet in cities outside the top 50, it is a significant difference maker, driving our digital advertising to be the strongest growth engine in the company. And it is worth noting that we're not the only ones who have noticed our digital strengths. We have been approached by other broadcasters who view our offering as best-in-class. And we're currently testing and exploring the idea of white labeling our digital advertising solutions to broadcasters and markets where we don't compete. Like when we acquire new local markets, this could allow us to accelerate our digital advertising growth, but without taking the capital risk of a new acquisition. In addition, we have also seen more and more local agencies looking to us as their white label digital advertising partner. And although early, we believe this too could be a meaningful difference maker for our business in 2025 and beyond. Looking to Q3 and Q4, we expect our digital advertising revenue growth to improve over the plus 1% revenue growth in the first half of the year. In fact, we expect Q3 digital advertising net revenue to increase approximately 4%, driven by what we expect to be continued very strong growth rates in programmatic digital advertising revenue. While we expect National Digital will remain quite weak in Q3, down roughly $1 million versus prior Q3, and thus would be down over 30%, but we expect National Digital should improve in Q4 given the weak Q4 2023 comps. Overall, we are confident that favorable industry trends, together with our in-house full suite of marketing solutions, our investment in our original content strategy and our first-party data advantage will continue to drive strong digital advertising growth for Townsquare. In particular, we are most excited and confident about our Digital Programmatic business, where we have unlimited growth potential and which will be the largest growth of our Digital Advertising business going forward. Programmatic makes up about 60% of our Digital Advertising segment today and is the fastest growing revenue stream in our company. I am very pleased to share with you today that Townsquare Interactive, our Subscription Digital Marketing Solutions business, is firmly on the path to recovering growth after attacking our 2023 challenges head on. In fact, I believe Townsquare Interactive is a better company as a result of attacking ourselves and really questioning why and how we lost subscribers and figuring out what we needed to change to come out of it a stronger company. One way we became better, as we discussed at length on earlier calls, was by revamping our customer service model and designing it to better serve our customers today as well as scale more effectively as we grow in the coming years. Today, I'd like to take a step back and spend some time describing the new product offering we launched at Townsquare Interactive, which I briefly touched on during our last call and was another significant improvement to our business. In January, we launched the business management platform, a SaaS-based or software-as-a-service platform that provides a suite of digital solutions which assist SMBs in identifying, converting and communicating with clients. Our SaaS platform includes a CRM, a customer relationship management platform with e-mail and text capabilities as well as appointment scheduling services, payment services and invoice services. Previously, Townsquare Interactive was positioned primarily as a web design and search optimization, or SEO company, which served us well for many years as we grew to more than 30,000 subscribers in the first decade of operations. And although these services are still a part of our offering today, we recognized it was time to evolve. There are plenty of SMBs who have a strong web presence but need help in other areas. And our new business management platform can be sold to clients who already have an established website they're happy with and/or those who already have dedicated resources to SEO. In addition, the business management platform can also be an upsell to our existing client base of 23,575 subscribers. And today, it is also sold to the many clients who still have a need for web design and SEO services. We believe that our new SaaS business management platform is a very powerful and will be a difference maker as we grow and continue to scale the Townsquare Interactive business. We are not only helping SMBs with their digital presence, we are also helping them operate their businesses more effectively. We're bringing sophisticated national scale to smaller markets, and we're proud to partner with our clients to do so. In the second quarter, Townsquare Interactive's path to recovery and growth accelerated. As I have shared previously, the first sign of rebound at Townsquare Interactive is the return to subscriber growth. The second sign of rebound is the month-over-month revenue growth. And given our continued ongoing aggressive investment in Townsquare Interactive, the third sign of returning to strength is month-over-month profit growth. We first reported net subscriber growth and month-over-month revenue growth in March. And I'm pleased to share with you that growth continued in the second quarter with the addition of approximately 275 net subscribers as well as month-over-month sequential revenue growth in each month of Q2. We expect this very positive trend to continue in Q3 and onward. I am very proud of our Townsquare Interactive team. In the second quarter, Townsquare Interactive's net revenue declined negative 13% year-over-year, exactly in line with the expectations I shared with you on our last call, and importantly, a sequential improvement from Q1's negative 15% decline. The positive development is that on a quarter-over-quarter basis, net revenue increased plus 1% due in large part to the return to subscriber growth I just outlined. Townsquare Interactive's second quarter profit, as expected, declined negative 10% year-over-year, and we managed the expenses such that we grew our profit margin slightly from 28% in Q2 2023 to 29% in Q2 2024. Additionally, it is worth noting that we also had sequential profit improvement in Q2 over Q1. Although given our aggressive investment in Townsquare Interactive, we expect Q3 profit to be more in line with Q1 profit, yet very pleased to have achieved sequential profit growth sooner than we expected. Looking ahead to Q3, we expect to see net subscriber growth improve over Q2, which will drive continued sequential month-over-month and quarter-over-quarter revenue growth trends. As a reminder, even though we are now on a path of consistent revenue and subscriber growth at Townsquare Interactive, given the loss of over 70 subscribers from Q1 2023 through Q1 2024, as you would expect, year-over-year revenue and profit comparisons will look negative. With that context provided, we expect Townsquare Interactive's third quarter net revenue to decline approximately 7%, a meaningful improvement from second quarter revenue declines. It is worth noting, given the strength in our current performance, there is a small possibility we could return to year-over-year revenue growth at Townsquare Interactive in Q4 2024. In the long term, we are confident that we have a long sustainable runway ahead of us. With approximately 23,575 subscribers at the end of Q2, with approximately 58% of those outside of our local media footprint and an addressable market of nearly 9 million target customers, we are only scratching the surface. With our existing subscriber base, superior product offering, including our new business management platform, and a significant market opportunity of nearly 9 million target customers as outlined on Slide 15, I am confident that Townsquare Interactive is on track and set up for long-term profitable growth and success. Another positive development in the second quarter was that our broadcast advertising revenue was essentially flat, a sequential improvement from Q1, decreasing by less than $100,000 as national broadcast advertising revenue declines finally abated and political picked up steam, following a lackluster primary season as we generated $1.5 million in political revenue in Q2 versus $900,000 in Q2 2020. I am very pleased to share that our broadcast advertising profit increased a strong plus 9% year-over-year. We believe Townsquare's ability to drive profitable, sustainable digital growth is a key differentiator for our company. Digital is and will continue to be our growth engine, and we will continue to invest in our digital businesses to fuel further profitable growth. We view local radio as an extremely valuable asset with significant cash flow properties, unparalleled consumer reach and an important local connection to our audience. And because of the powerful combination of Townsquare's digital, plus radio, live events, plus local investment, we believe that our flywheel will continue to blaze forward and gain momentum. I would also like to shine a bright spotlight on a very important aspect of our business model, our significant cash flow generation. We continue to generate strong cash flow, granting us the ability to invest in our digital growth engine and affording us financial flexibility, as evidenced by our ongoing debt and share buybacks in the open market. Year-to-date through July, we used our cash on hand to repurchase $23 million of our shares, buy back $19 million of bonds at a discount and execute an $11 million option buyback to at an attractive price to avoid shareholder dilution, all while investing in our digital growth engine and rewarding our shareholders with a very attractive dividend yield. With $29 million of cash on hand at the end of June and net leverage of 4.8x as of June 30, we remain very confident in our current capitalization and strength of our balance sheet, and we are pleased that we can continue to deliver attractive current cash returns for our equity shareholders. As I stated earlier, S&P Global upgraded their rating of our bonds from a B to a B+ in June, setting our performance and credit metrics. Most importantly, we are building momentum each quarter and anticipate delivering stronger financial results in the back half of 2024, ultimately setting us up for a very strong 2025. As we say internally, how high is high. And now I'd like to turn the call over to Stu, who will go through our results in even more detail as well as provide you with our third quarter guidance. All yours, Stu. Take it away.
Stuart Rosenstein: Thank you, Bill, and good morning, everyone. It's great to speak to you today. We are pleased to report that our second quarter results met our revenue and adjusted EBITDA guidance. Second quarter net revenue declined 2.5% year-over-year to $118.2 million, within our guidance range of $117.5 million to $119 million, which is a sequential improvement from the first quarter revenue declines. Despite the slow start to the year in Q1 due to a lackluster primary season, political spend has picked up, and we're now ahead of previous cycles. In Q2, political revenue was $1.5 million, 65% ahead of Q2 2020's $900,000. Through June, political revenue was $2.5 million, ahead of 2020's $2.2 million by 14%. We remain very optimistic in our full year political revenue estimate of $14 million to $16 million as compared to the all-time high $60 million we recorded in the 2020 political season. Industry specialists are predicting record political expenditures in 2024, benefiting Townsquare, especially in our Michigan, Montana, Arizona, New Jersey and New Hampshire markets where they expect close races for the governorship, House and/or Senate seats. Excluding political, second quarter net revenue declined 3.4%. Second quarter adjusted EBITDA declined 8.3% year-over-year to $26.2 million, also within our guidance range of $26 million to $27 million. Second quarter adjusted EBITDA declines also reflect a sequential improvement from first quarter declines. Second quarter broadcast advertising net revenue was approximately flat, which was a sequential improvement from first quarter declines. Second quarter broadcast profit improved 8.7% year-over-year as margins expanded on a year-over-year basis from 27% in Q2 2023 to 30% in Q2 2024 due to cost reductions we made in 2023. As we've outlined on previous calls, we anticipate that Townsquare Interactive, which is our Subscription Digital Marketing Solutions segment, net revenues and profit will decline on a year-over-year basis due to the loss of subscribers in 2023 and Q1 of this year, even though we have returned to subscriber growth and month-over-month revenue growth. In the second quarter, net revenue decreased 12.9% as compared to the prior year, and profit decreased 10.1% year-over-year. Margins were strong at approximately 29% in Q2, a slight improvement from Q2 2023's 28% profit margin, despite our continued investment in the business, including the ongoing ramp of our newly opened Phoenix location. Townsquare Ignite, our Digital Advertising segment, demonstrated consistent growth in the second quarter as strength in programmatic advertising, which as Bill noted was up 9% year-over-year, offset ongoing weaknesses in National Digital Advertising, which declined $1.5 million in Q2 as compared to Q2 of 2023. In total, second quarter Digital Advertising net revenue increased 1% year-over-year, in line with Q1's performance. As Bill also noted, we expect Q3 digital advertising revenue growth overall to improve to mid-single digits given we expect our programmatic digital advertising revenue growth to continue to be strong in Q3. Digital advertising profit margins returned to the mid-20s in the second quarter as we anticipated and shared with you on our last call, and we expect margins to once again be in the mid-20s in the third quarter. Our Other category, which is comprised of live events activity, generated $4.6 million of revenue in the second quarter, a decline of 11% year-over-year and a small profit of $266,000. As a reminder, our live events activity should not be viewed as a growth driver or revenue center for Townsquare, but rather a marketing arm of the company. In the second quarter of 2024, we had non-cash impairment charges of $32.6 million, the majority of these charges related to our FCC licenses. As I covered on previous calls, given the way that these non-cash impairments are mathematically determined, we expect the value of our FCC licenses to continue to be written down regularly over time. The 2024 impairments were caused by a meaningful increase in the discount rate used in our calculations, which increased by 280 basis points in the second quarter due to rising debt yields of our broadcast peers. In addition, our calculation was negatively impacted by decreases in third-party industry broadcast revenue forecasts. These write-downs of a decade-old purchase price calculations have no bearing on our cash position, operating revenue, operating expenses, our profitability or the company's future prospects. They are nothing more than non-cash accounting charges affecting only the historical recorded purchase price allocations made when we bought our radio station assets roughly a decade or more ago. Our second quarter net loss was $48.9 million or $3.26 per diluted share. The net loss was primarily driven by the non-cash impairment charges. In addition, our effective tax rate for the second quarter was negative 62.7%, a significant change from our Q2 2023's effective tax rate, primarily driven by an increase in the valuation allowance for interest expense carryforwards related to the non-cash impairment charges and an increase in the non-deductible compensation costs recorded during the quarter. We would like to remind you that any benefit or provision for income taxes included on the face of the income statement is for GAAP financial statement purposes only. We maintain significant tax attributes, including more than $100 million worth of federal NOL carryforwards and other substantial tax yields related to the tax amortization of our intangible assets. We continue to believe that we will not be a material cash taxpayer until approximately 2026. As Bill highlighted, I would again like to emphasize, we consistently have strong cash flow generation. We generated $10.7 million of cash flow from operations in the first half of 2024 and ended the quarter with $29 million of cash. During the first 6 months of the year, we repurchased $22 million worth of shares, or 2.2 million shares, through our ongoing share buyback program, including the repurchase of $1.5 million of MSG shares at an accretive price on April 1. In July, we repurchased an additional 90,000 shares. Since 2021, we have repurchased 16.5 million shares at an average price of $7.29 per share, while simultaneously reducing leverage over that period. In the second quarter, we repurchased and retired approximately $14 million of our bonds below par and bought an additional $5 million below par in July. We plan to continue to chip away at our outstanding debt before we execute our upcoming refinancing. At the end of the second quarter, our net leverage was 4.82x. As always, our #1 priority is to invest in our local business through organic internal investments that support our revenue and profit growth, particularly our digital growth engine. We plan to continue to invest in our digital product technology, sales, content and support teams, specifically in our Townsquare Interactive and Townsquare Ignite businesses to maintain our strong competitive advantage in markets outside the top 50 cities. In addition, we are highly focused on our balance sheet and feel extremely confident that we are well positioned to refinance our February 2026 notes before they come due. Our Board has approved our next quarterly dividend, payable on November 1 to shareholders of record as of October 15. The dividend of $0.1975 per share, which we raised by 5% earlier this year, equates to $0.79 per share on an annualized basis, which implies an annual payment of approximately $12 million based on our current share count and a dividend yield of approximately 7% on our current share price. We believe our strong cash flow characteristics will allow us to continue to invest in our business, support our dividend and give us flexibility to opportunistically pursue debt and share repurchases as circumstances allow. Turning to our third quarter outlook. We expect third quarter net revenue to be between $114 million and $116 million. We expect third quarter adjusted EBITDA to be between $25 million and $27 million. We are narrowing our full year revenue guidance to be between $440 million and $455 million. We are also narrowing our full year adjusted EBITDA guidance to be between $100 million and $105 million. And with that, I will now turn the call back over to Bill.
Bill Wilson: Thank you, Stu, and thanks to each of you for taking time to be updated on Townsquare's Q2 results this morning. We greatly appreciate it. I want to close today's call by highlighting just a few of our successes in Q2 and year-to-date. Our differentiated digital advertising platform has delivered revenue growth in the face of extreme national advertising weakness, and based on current trends, we anticipate strengthening performance for the remainder of the year. Our mature cash cow broadcast advertising platform continues to generate a solid profit, and political has recovered from its lackluster start of the year. Townsquare Interactive has returned to consistent subscriber and month-over-month revenue growth, which we expect will continue to strengthen. We have sufficiently repurchased both debt and equity this year while maintaining a high-yielding dividend, delivering attractive current returns to our shareholders, and we retain financial flexibility moving forward. Most importantly, we are confident in our ability to build shareholder value for investors through long-term net revenue, profit and cash flow growth, net leverage reduction, future dividend payments and potential future share repurchases. As always, we wouldn't have the confidence in our long-term success without the Townsquare's team effort, passion and commitment that is directly driving our growth and innovation each day. I could not be more appreciative of our team and their tremendous work. With that, operator, at this time, please open the line for any and all questions.
Operator: [Operator Instructions] We'll take our first question from Michael Kupinski with NOBLE Capital Markets.
Michael Kupinski: Congratulations on your performance. Just a couple of quick questions here. I know that you guys are very close to the advertising community. And I was just wondering, a number of radio companies have indicated that things have kind of deteriorated into the third quarter. And I was just wondering -- and you're not seeing that. And obviously, you're in smaller markets that may not feel some of the economic impact. I was just wondering if you can give us a sense of what you're hearing from your advertisers as you go into the third quarter as it relates to the economic environment.
Bill Wilson: Great to hear from you, Michael. Yes, I'll take your first question. In terms of the ad community and what we're hearing from our local and regional clients, they're feeling quite good. Obviously, there's a lot of uncertainty. But at the same time, I think the developments of last week with the jobs report on Friday, clearly the expectation of interest rate cuts happening and maybe happening in greater force in terms of more cuts or greater cuts between now and the end of the year going into next year gives them a tailwind. Obviously, interest rates have been high for quite some time for these small businesses and local businesses. And you've probably heard the good news is inflation has come down dramatically from a year ago and also wage pressures have come down as well. And what we're hearing from them is it's easier to find workers. A year ago when we were having this call, our smaller businesses were having a hard time keeping up with inflation and actually finding employees for retail and service industries and so forth. And what we're hearing now is although they'd like to see the interest rates come down sooner than later, they're doing quite well, which leads to our Q3 guide, which again is -- we're quite proud overall that we've improved in this environment, Q2 over Q1, in all aspects of our business. And then to your specific point about broadcast, our expectation for Q3 is to perform better in broadcast than Q2. And then when you think about the ad community in general and the ad environment, our digital advertising was similar to Q1, but that was really muted by national digital advertising, which I outlined on the call which was down over $1 million, and that put a damper on that. But our programmatic advertising, which is now 60% of our digital advertising, was up a plus 9% in Q2. And as I shared on the remarks earlier, we expect that to continue in Q3. So in essence, broadcast we expect to improve from an advertising in terms of Q3 over Q2. And the same thing, we're expecting roughly 4% digital advertising. Even with more muted national digital advertising, that's going to be down roughly 30%. So from a local and regional perspective, we're hearing quite positive environment from our advertisers. I think once the interest rates actually do come, hopefully in September, but whenever they do come, I think that's going to be a nice tailwind for us as we go into next year.
Michael Kupinski: Got you. And then can you talk a little bit about your SaaS-based business service offering and just kind of give us a little bit more color there? I know that you typically has -- that Interactive has been about roughly $300 per subscriber, and now was just wondering how this offering affects that subscription. And then maybe if you could just talk a little bit about the margins on that product and how this impacts your overall trajectory for your Townsquare Interactive business.
Bill Wilson: Thank you, Michael. Yes, I couldn't be more excited, as is the team, with our SaaS-based new product solutions for our local businesses. Just to take a step back, as I said earlier, I couldn't be more proud of the team. We definitely took a step back in 2023. We were challenged. You could almost call it a knockdown. And we got up, we worked harder, we trained harder, and we are definitely a better company as a result of it. We did have 5 quarters of consecutive subscriber losses totaling over 7,350 subscribers. So it's great to be in growth mode again, growing subscribers. We grew 275 in Q2. We'll grow more in Q3. We're back to revenue growth consistently month-over-month, which translates to quarter-over-quarter. And as I shared, beyond my expectations, we actually had a jump up in profit in Q2 over Q1, which actually fueled our confidence to invest even more aggressively at this time, given the SaaS-based product that we have. So our profit will go down more to Q1 levels, but that's more a reflection of our confidence and investment than anything else. In terms of the SaaS-based product, as I said earlier, the good news is we're still doing everything we did prior. We're doing great web presence, websites, great search engine optimization. But we obviously speak to a lot of clients in our local markets as well as throughout the country that have a good web presence and are ranked well with Google (NASDAQ:GOOGL), but they need help running their businesses more effectively and efficiently. And that's what this business management platform provides. It provides a very, very powerful CRM, a customer relationship management platform with e-mail and text-based marketing. It allows appointment scheduling so they can manage their customer base as well as their employees' schedule. If it's in-home services like HVAC and plumbing, they don't have to communicate. It can all be done electronically. As well as payments and invoicing. So as it relates to your question about ARPU and margins, right now, I would just say on par. I think what we're able to do today is although when we bundle our prior offering with this new business management platform, clearly our revenue per subscriber is higher. But I think what's really strategically important is that we're able actually to sell this business management platform who people don't need a website and don't need search engine optimization. So that kind of counterbalances the higher ARPU if they need everything versus a subset. And the margins are quite consistent. We talked about a nice margin improvement overall, but our margin right now is in the mid- to high-20s. So that's what I would expect, particularly as we go through this investment cycle. But again, couldn't be more pleased. We lost $8 million of revenue from Townsquare Interactive in 2023. This year, because of the prior challenges we had, we'll lose $7 million in top line revenue. We've already lost $6 million in the first half. So that obviously implies we'll lose roughly $1 million -- a little less than $1 million in Q3. And as I said on the call, there's a slight chance possibility that will return to Q4 revenue growth year-over-year. But we've come back much stronger. And as I look forward to 2025 and 2026, couldn't be more confident in our ability to not only to grow, but with this business management SaaS platform, quite confident in our trajectory. So great question, Michael. I appreciate it.
Michael Kupinski: Sounds exciting. Thanks Bill.
Bill Wilson: Have a great day, Michael.
Operator: Our next question comes from Jim Goss with Barrington Research.
Jim Goss: I would like to continue the discussion here just now with TSI in terms of the recovery. Have you largely moved past the start-up issues you had in terms of getting the West Coast offices pretty much up to speed? And you also -- I was wondering if you could analyze the subscriber trends, including the nature of the clients lost versus the nature of the defining characteristics of the new subscriber additions you've been making.
Bill Wilson: You got it, Jim. Great to hear from you and good morning to you. Yes, couldn't be more pleased, as I was sharing with Michael, at the recovery. And really quite honestly, the rebuild. We revamped, as you will recall, Jim, our complete service offering in 2023, and then we kicked off this year with the SaaS-based business management platform. So it's really been a significant rebuild. And to your point, the West Coast is humming quite nicely. The whole premise of the West Coast was two phase. One was a great opportunity to attract more talent outside of Charlotte. And we picked Phoenix, which we couldn't be more pleased with being in Phoenix and the talent pool that we're attracting there, and we're able to add great team members to our team there. We're also able to deal with our West Coast and Central clients later in the day with the time zone change. So I'd say over the past year, where that business really started in March/April of 2023, we've really built up quite nicely and I'd say past that start-up phase, as you alluded to, and really humming. We still have a lot more growth. Our expectation, as you may recall when we opened the division was over the next decade to grow in presence like we have in Charlotte, which is over 400, almost 500 employees down there. And I think we're really focused now in terms of scale and efficiency. So your second question about subscriber trends. I think when we look at who we lost from Q1 2023 through Q1 of this year and now who we're gaining, I'd say some of the smaller clients who had less employees, less revenue based, they really struggled with these higher interest rates we saw throughout 2023 as well as currently, as well as the high wage and all of the inflation that was hitting their businesses, and they really, really struggled. As I shared on prior calls, we saw bill declines, because obviously, we have the benefit for these 23,575 subscribers of having their credit card on file. So we get an early indication of just creditworthiness, and that has abated. But we saw that more with these smaller clients. We're seeing with this business management platform, and that's why your question is so astute, a broader verticalization. So we've always been non -- we've been very, very diversified in verticals. So not one vertical was the primary driver. But with this business management platform, we're able to go to some larger customers because they need help running their business. But also more verticals who maybe had great web presence, great websites, great SEO, but now we're offering them great tools to manage their business more effectively and going to different verticals, be that upstream to more and more doctors in health care, white collar professionals like lawyers, things like that where we definitely had customers in those, but they had greater web presence that were less needed of our primary services over the last decade. And that's why we couldn't be more excited about the SaaS-based business management platform as we move forward, Jim.
Jim Goss: Okay. And I was wondering, given your broad end market and out-of-market sales and approach, how do you provide white label options without cannibalizing your existing efforts, effectively competing with yourselves?
Bill Wilson: Great question. As we noted, about 58% of our Townsquare Interactive subscribers are out of our market, out of our 74 local markets where we have great presence in. What's quite exciting, and I don't want to overstate it but I think it's worth mentioning, the number of broadcasters, radio as well as television, who have approached us since the beginning of the year, recognizing the need for broadcasters, be it television or radio, to really diversify their revenue stream and find the growth engine and recognizing that over 70% of advertising spend is now digital. And I think they've recognized that we have really become best-in-class, particularly in these size markets, but in any size market. So we're starting a test in Q4. We believe not only us, but our partner who we -- obviously we're both under an NDA so I can't disclose it, but it's a multi-market radio company. It's a very well-run radio company with great broadcast characteristics and market share, but that does not have a Townsquare Interactive type solution. It doesn't have an Ignite type digital programmatic solution. And they're quite eager, starting with Ignite to move forward and also utilize our Townsquare Interactive. So primarily right now, it will be Ignite in 2024 going into Townsquare Interactive potentially in 2025. But to your point, we're not worried about cannibalization because there's so many target customers. There's over 9 million, and we're under 25,000. So we will get a list of clients from our white label partners who they are either pitching, in a pitch phase, in a CAN, client needs assessment. And there'll be information sharing so that our team either in Phoenix or Charlotte would not be calling on clients that our white label partners are already calling on. So that's one of the reasons we're so excited about this potential white label opportunity with other broadcasters. The other thing we're seeing, Jim, is -- and you had asked about this, quite honestly, very early on, I'd say maybe more than a year ago about utilizing other media companies with our solutions. So I think you were ahead of the curve, clearly. We also have a lot of local agencies, which I believe I mentioned earlier on the call, who we've been great partners with. Local agency over time has been great partners in our broadcast business and more so in our digital advertising and Townsquare Interactive business. And they're now coming to us in greater velocity to white label to their clients, our Ignite offering and our digital advertising. So the combination of the 2 as we go forward, listen, from an organic standpoint on our own, we're going to continue to do great with digital advertising. It's the growth engine of the company. It has been for quite some time, and we're quite pleased. But if these white label opportunities with other broadcasters and/or local agencies continue to pick up steam in 2025 and onwards, it can accelerate our growth quite meaningfully. So great question. I hopefully answered your question about potential cannibalization.
Jim Goss: It did. If I might, one more. In the core radio business, even that's shifted, and a lot of -- your digital advertising exposure is greater in Ignite and the programmatic within your core broadcasting. And your broadcasting side has held up probably better than most, given the market size and the way you've approached it. I'm wondering, if you look forward 5 years or whatever, the defining characteristics for advertising, audiences, reach and TSL that you think might characterize any shifts in broadcasting.
Bill Wilson: Yes. Thank you for that, Jim. And I appreciate you acknowledging that our broadcast is really -- our company is differentiated, now becoming a digital-first local media company. But I hope our stakeholders externally have recognized over the last 5 years from 2019 to today that our broadcast business has held up much better than others. And I think that speaks to two things. I think that speaks to we are the only local media company in the United States focused on markets outside the top 50, be that television, radio and newspapers and so forth. We're literally the only company who has really understand and committed to that psychographic and demographic of smaller markets. And in those markets, as you know, Jim, but I'll share it for others on the call, is our broadcast business, just our AM/FM audience, first of all has been stable for many, many years. Has not declined in terms of size of audience. And that size of audience reaches 50%. On average, every week, we reach 50% of the adult population through one of our AM/FM signals in our 74 markets. That is highly differentiated against other radio companies in the top 50 markets. We're number 1 market share to be in the low 20s. So to walk into a client and say, we're going to reach 1 and 2 adult people in this community through radio broadcast is extremely powerful. You layer in the fact that one of the other reasons I think we've held up quite well is really two-fold. We don't talk about it a lot, but given our diversification and our growth in digital revenue, and with digital revenue being 50% of the company's total revenue and 51% of our profits now come from our digital solutions, if we didn't have that, Jim, we would have had to do what other people in the broadcast business did, which was cut our local teams, and in particular, cut our local DJs and use syndicated content. And we have not done that. We are very proud of our content contributors. I don't think there's anybody -- I know there's not. They are the best in the business at informing and entertainment their local communities. And we're able to do that because they also do great content for our website. So we're monetizing our DJs not only from a broadcast perspective, but from a digital perspective. And we think that's a huge reason our broadcast business, to put it in your words, has held up so nicely, because in our markets, we really have encountered news deserts. Thousands of newspapers around the United States in the last 5 years, COVID accelerated this, have actually folded up shop, and that serves our markets. They've gone from publishing every day to not even publishing a print edition. They've put up paywalls to pay their bills, which has allowed more and more people in our local communities to come to our websites. So our websites now reach 70%, 7-0. 70% of the adult population are coming to our websites or mobile apps on a monthly basis. So that is the reason our broadcast business has held up so differently than the rest of the industry. And going back to Michael's first question about, hey, I'm hearing others talk about the ad environment in Q3, and you're saying something different than others. That is because we are a differentiated local media digital-first company. And I believe even from a broadcast perspective, differentiated because we're serving these underserved communities that need the local information and entertainment we're providing. And I'm not aware of another broadcaster who on average reaches 50% of the adult population through their AM/FM. So when you think about the next 5 years, we've been saying this for a number of years, as you know, Jim. We still view broadcast as incredibly advantageous. We've used the term Trojan horse in the past. We would not have the digital business today and in the future if it wasn't for the health and vitality of our local broadcast business. It is vital, and we continue to invest and have that. At the same time, we view it as a cash cow. It generates incredible profitability, but it is also a declining asset. Even now, we're talking about flat in Q2, flat to plus 1% in Q3. Obviously, that has the benefit of some political. So we view it as a slightly declining business, call it, low-single digits over the next 5 years. But we can continue to still invest in our DJs because of our digital business and what they do for our digital business and creating content and our ability to monetize that. So 5 years down the line, I expect us to continue to be serving our local communities and doing it better than anybody else. And in some ways, that's a civic duty as well. And I think our audience, to the broadcast business in particular, could be higher than that 50% we have today because more and more people are abandoning these markets, or more and more even television is cutting expenses and investment in our size markets. So from an audience perspective, I see stability to growth. And from a financial perspective, we expect it to be a, ex-politically, slow decliner over time which is just okay with us. And we will continue to serve the communities, and we love our audiences and our businesses in those communities. So hopefully, Jim, that gives you a sense of how we're viewing broadcast over the next 5 years.
Jim Goss: Thanks very much for a complete answer, as always.
Bill Wilson: Thank you, Jim. Appreciate the questions as always.
Operator: And this concludes our Q&A session. I will turn the call over to Bill Wilson for closing remarks.
Bill Wilson: Thank you, operator. And just thank you to everyone who dialed in this morning to be updated on Townsquare's sequential improvement in our outlook for the rest of the year and, importantly, for 2025 and beyond. We look forward to reconnecting with you in 3 months. Have a great day.
Operator: And this does conclude today's program. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect at any time.
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