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Earnings call: Triple Flag's record performance sets stage for growth

EditorRachael Rajan
Published 2024-02-23, 09:00 a/m
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Triple Flag Precious Metals Corp. (NYSE:TFPM) achieved a milestone year in 2023, with record sales and operating cash flow. The company reported sales of 26,000 gold equivalent ounces in the fourth quarter and over 105,000 ounces for the full year, generating $154 million in operating cash flow and $159 million in adjusted EBITDA. With a positive outlook for 2024, Triple Flag anticipates significant growth, projecting sales of 105,000 to 115,000 gold equivalent ounces and a five-year average annual production of over 140,000 ounces. The company's strong financial position, including $660 million in available liquidity, sets a robust foundation for sustainable growth and potential acquisitions.

Key Takeaways

  • Record sales of 105,000 gold equivalent ounces in 2023.
  • Operating cash flow of $154 million and adjusted EBITDA of $159 million for the year.
  • Guidance for 2024: 105,000 to 115,000 gold equivalent ounces.
  • Five-year outlook averages over 140,000 ounces annually.
  • Strong liquidity with $660 million available and $40 million in net debt.
  • Evolution Mining acquired an 80% interest in Northparkes mine, with Triple Flag retaining significant streaming interests.
  • Focus on sustainable growth and prudent capital allocation.

Company Outlook

  • Anticipates record sales in 2024 with estimates between 105,000 to 115,000 gold equivalent ounces.
  • Aims for a five-year average annual production above 140,000 ounces.
  • Committed to sustainable growth and exploring potential transaction opportunities.
  • Expects to leverage Evolution Mining's expertise to enhance value at Northparkes mine.

Bearish Highlights

  • Cautious approach to deals over $500 million to prevent shareholder dilution.
  • Analyzing liquidity risks in the current rate environment.

Bullish Highlights

  • Consistent portfolio growth with an annual rate exceeding 20% since 2016.
  • Hope Bay exploration asset shows promising results, with Agnico Eagle (NYSE:AEM)'s extensive program.
  • Strong balance sheet and cash flow position the company well for future growth.
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Misses

  • No specific misses reported from the earnings call.

Q&A Highlights

  • Management discussed opportunities for acquisitions in the current market, with a focus on deals in the tens to hundreds of millions of dollars.
  • Expressed openness to partnerships and larger deals, with a preference for quality over quantity.
  • Confidence in the company's financial position, with $50 million in debt and a cash run rate of $160 million.

Triple Flag Precious Metals Corp. (TFPM) enters 2024 with a strategy focused on capitalizing on its strong performance and financial health. The company's emphasis on precious metals, particularly gold and silver, which account for 95% of revenues, underscores its commitment to core business strengths. As the global markets navigate through shifting economic conditions, Triple Flag remains poised to pursue strategic opportunities and deliver value to its stakeholders.

InvestingPro Insights

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From an investment perspective, Triple Flag's commitment to shareholder returns is evident, as the company has raised its dividend for 3 consecutive years, showcasing a stable and investor-friendly approach. The current dividend yield stands at 1.7%, with a 5.0% growth in the dividend over the last twelve months as of Q3 2023.

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Full transcript - Triple Flag Precious Metals NYQ (TFPM) Q4 2023:

Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, good morning. My name is Abby, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Triple Flag Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2023 Results Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded, and all lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. Thank you. And I will now turn the conference over to Shaun Usmar, Chief Executive Officer. Mr. Usmar, you may begin.

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Shaun Usmar: Thank you, and good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us to discuss Triple Flag's fourth quarter and full year 2023 results. Today, I'm joined by our CFO, Sheldon Vanderkooy and our Senior Vice President of Corporate Development, James Dendle. Turning to Slide 4. Our business continued its strong performance during the fourth quarter -- with sales of roughly 26,000 gold equivalent ounces, resulting in $38 million of operating cash flow during the quarter. On a full year basis, our portfolio generated sales of just over 105,000 gold equivalent ounces, delivering within our guidance range and creating a new record for Triple Flag. The strong performance resulted in $154 million in operating cash flow and $159 million in adjusted EBITDA for 2023, both new records for the company. In December, Evolution Mining acquired an 80% interest in the Northparkes copper gold mine in Australia in which triple flag retains at 54% goldstream and 80% silver stream. Evolution has a long history of operating in Australia and is poised to continue developing and operating Northparkes in the exceptional manner that TIMOC [ph] had previously. Northparkes is a world-class asset, having a multi-decade mine life and great exploration potential. And we expect the high-grade E31 deposit to drive a significant increase in 2024 estimated stream deliveries for the asset. Additionally, several of our over 200 developments and exploration stage assets continue to advance, highlighted by exploration success at Hope Bay and updated economic studies at Kone and Eskay Creek. Finally, looking forward to 2024, we're establishing a guidance range of between 105,000 and 115,000 gold equivalent ounces while reaffirming our five-year outlook averaging over 140,000 gold equivalent ounces. This builds on Triple Flag's track record of sector-leading growth in gold equivalent ounces over the past seven years, where we've delivered a cumulative annual growth rate of more than 20% since 2017 and continuing with short- and medium-term growth well in excess of our intermediate peers for comparable capital deployment, which we've reaffirmed at an annual average of 140,000 GEOs. I'll now turn it over to Sheldon to discuss our financials for Q4 and the full year 2023.

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Sheldon Vanderkooy: Thank you, Shaun. We had a strong fourth quarter with the portfolio producing over 26,000 gold equivalent ounces, which resulted in us achieving our full year 2023 guidance with a final total of over 105,000 gold equivalent ounces. This resulted in records for both revenues and operating cash flow during 2023, supporting our investment thesis for the Maverix transaction more than a year ago. Operating cash flow per share is a very key metric for me. And I'm pleased to say that we increased slightly for the year from $0.76 per share to $0.77 per share. This reflects accretive growth for the year. It was a solid quarter and a solid year. Our dividend has been maintained at $0.21 on an annualized basis, which resulted in Triple Flag paying out over $40 million in dividends to shareholders in 2023. We have increased our dividend every year since our IPO. And as the year progresses, we'll consider the potential to continue that track record. In addition to our dividend, we also returned over $28 million to shareholders via share buybacks. As of December 31, 2023, we have 9.9 million shares of remaining capacity under the current NCIB. I'd also like to comment on our strong balance sheet. We exited 2023 with just over $40 million in net debt. In Q4, we had operating cash flow of $37 million. So our net debt represents just over one quarters cash flow. This positions us very well, allowing us to make capital allocation decisions to benefit shareholders through new acquisitions, share buybacks or dividends. I'll turn now to Slide 6. Our portfolio has shown consistent growth since our inception. 2023 was a record for operating cash flow, free cash flow and adjusted EBITDA, each increasing significantly from 2022 and due to the acquisition of Maverix Metals as well as other royalties acquired during the year, such as Dargues and Agbaou. Consistent margins result in efficient translation of revenue and the cash flow available to shareholders. Our portfolio has significant embedded production growth. As production grows and further aided by a beneficial gold price environment, we expect our free cash flow to grow due to both the price and the volume impact. Moving to Slide 7. We have highlighted here three very important aspects of our portfolio, namely asset diversification, precious metals focus and a portfolio which is predominantly centered in the Americas and Australia. Our revenue is well diversified across our portfolio. Cerro Lindo and Northparkes are our biggest contributors during the year, representing 22% and 14% of annual revenue, respectively. Cerro Lindo was our first investment. In 2016, we invested $250 million in a silver stream. I am very pleased that in Q4, we achieved a significant milestone of having recovered all of our initial investment in Cerro Lindo. Demonstrating the strength of the streaming model, Cerro Lindo has a current remaining mine life of over eight years. We're going to benefit from this stream for a great deal of time to come. And my expectation is that overtime, mine life will continue to be extended as it has in the past. Moving on, the investment thesis for Triple Flag is for a strong pure-play royalty and streaming company focused on precious metals. This has not changed since our inception in 2016. Gold and silver account for roughly 95% of our revenues amongst the highest in the sector. Our portfolio is centered in mining-friendly jurisdictions, jurisdiction matters. Our single greatest country concentration is in Australia. Our Australian producing assets include Northparkes, Fosterville and Beta Hunt as well as a number of smaller contributors, including Dargues. I'd like to now turn to Slide 8. Slide 8 sets out our production growth since we were founded in 2016. In 2017, we produced 33,000 gold equivalent ounces. By 2023 that had increased to 105,000 ounces a 3 times increase and a compound annual growth rate of over 20%. Looking forward, we expect this growth to continue in 2024 with our 2024 guidance being between 105,000 and 115,000 gold equivalent ounces. We also expect this growth to continue for the next five years as we are expecting our gold equivalent ounces to average over 140,000 ounces from 2025 to 2029. Importantly, this is by organic growth from assets already within our portfolio and does not include any additional acquisitions that may occur. This production growth will efficiently translate into increased cash flow for shareholders. Turning now to Slide 9. I'd like to provide some additional guidance on financial metrics. We've already stated our GEO guidance of 105,000 to 115,000 gold equivalent ounces. This is driven by our expectation of significant growth from Northparkes due to the processing of higher gold grade open pit material at E31 and the E31 North, which Shaun will discuss further. Depletion is expected to be between $70 million and $80 million, higher than the prior year given the growth in gold equivalent ounce production while our G&A will be between $23 million and $24 million. Finally, our Australian cash tax rate for our Australian royalties will be approximately 25%, consistent with the 24% rate that was realized in 2023. Over to you, Shaun.

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Shaun Usmar: Thanks, Sheldon. I just want to spend a moment talking a bit about Northparkes as a cornerstone asset. As mentioned, Northparkes was acquired by Evolution Mining in December of last year. Northparkes is positioned in Evolution's backyard and in 1 of Australia's most prospective gold copper belts in New South Wales, which I will highlight in a later slide. Evolution brings significant expertise in large-scale underground caving operations from its Ernest Henry mine having a skill set and experience that is well suited for a large-scale porphyry operation such as Northparkes. As you can see on the next slide, mining of E31 open pits and Northparkes is well underway, and we expect these higher gold grade pits to contribute materially to our gold equivalent ounce profile starting this year. On Slide 12, you can see that Evolution has had great success with developing and optimizing prior acquisitions like the Cowal mine, which is proximate to Northparkes. Since acquiring the mine in 2015 from Barrick, Evolution has successfully delivered sustainable production, reserve and resource growth and major capital projects. The savvy approach to investing and adding mine life and capacity to create shareholder value in a mine regionally proximate to Northparkes, bodes well for our interest in this mine with our new partner. And we're excited to help investors appreciate the world class already of our gold and silver stream on this cornerstone asset as the Evolution shows the market what value they can unlock in the years ahead. I'll hand over to James now to discuss Hope Bay.

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James Dendle: Thanks, Shaun. Touching on one of our exploration assets that has generated significant news flow for the last year. Hope Pay is a multi-deposit gold project operated by Agnico Eagle, of which triple fly calls a 1% NSR royalty. Agnico is undertaking an extensive exploration program at Hope Bay with 2023 drilling totaling more than 125,000 meters and 2024 exploration budget of $22 million, focusing on high potential areas of Madrid and Doris. The results from an internal technical evaluation are expected to be reported in 2025, targeting a larger production restart scenario. On Page 14, you can see the size of the land package at Hope Bay and the multiple deposits and exploration targets that Agnico Eagle has identified. Of particular interest is the target area in the vicinity of Patch 7 in the center of the long section, which has delivered strong results, including 16.3 grams per tonne gold over 28.6 meters of depth of 385 meters and 12.7 grams per tonne gold over 4.6 meters at a depth of 677 meters, as well as the exploration and development stage assets that we were excited about when acquiring Maverix Metals. We're happy to see our thesis play out and look forward to seeing Agnico Eagle continue to develop this project. Back to you, Shaun.

Shaun Usmar: Thank you. So as the snapshot demonstrates, Triple Flag's outlook is overwhelmingly positive. With our ample firepower of roughly $660 million in available liquidity, and a broad base of 235 assets, our eighth consecutive sales record projected for the year ahead with guidance of 105,000 to 115,000 gold equivalent ounces and a five-year average annual production outlook of 140,000 gold equivalent ounces. We're excited to continue growing triple flag into a leader in the sector with our top sustainability ratings and our prudent capital allocation decisions. With the board and management team being large shareholders ourselves, we are completely aligned in ensuring the best outcomes for all stakeholders and are looking forward to what 2024 has to offer. So with that, Abby, please open the floor to any questions.

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Operator: Thank you. [Operator Instructions] We will take our first question from Cosmos Chiu with CIBC (TSX:CM). Your line is open.

Cosmos Chiu: Thank you, Shaun, Sheldon and James. And congrats on a very strong 2023. Maybe my first question is on Northparkes. Good to see an Evolution taking over Northparkes and Shaun, you talked about some of the benefits. But I'm just wondering, still early days, but have there been any positive changes at Northparkes that you can share with us?

Sheldon Vanderkooy: Cosmo, firstly, I think it's a point we had made. Firstly, thank you for the praise -- I've got a great team, and we're really very proud of them and what this team has achieved. To your point on Northparkes, I just want to take a moment because you've troubled this journey with us. I know that we've had perhaps some of the, I'd say, best access and disclosure in Northparkes, but really -- and China Molyb were great partners. But they really didn't have the same sort of reporting disclosures that I think we'll see in the Evolution. So I guess -- in the short term, it's only a month since Evolution has acquired the business. They've only just put out Ju-compliant reserve statements. We expect in the coming months, they are going to be highly motivated to unveil their studies and their vision for this. So it's premature for us to certainly front run them, but the business is -- it has multiple ore bodies. It's well set up. E31, E31 North has done beautifully for this year and next year to deliver very, very material gold ounce growth for our portfolio. We're actually having dinner with the team on Sunday night. And so we'll get further updates. And we're going to keep the market informed. I think just conceptually, one of the great royalties in this sector is Malartic, that's no secret. Do you think of this asset with a longer life, a similar NAV for our company as it is to Cisco (NASDAQ:CSCO), but really with a growing ounce profile and actually a longer life, and that's before Evolution have engaged. And it's not to say one is bad ones good. These are both great assets. Our job is really to work on the curtails of Evolution and what they see, hopefully similar to what they've done at Cowal and to really showcase this asset in the very same way that people come to associate Malartic with the Cisco -- it truly is that world class. And I think that's what we would like investors to appreciate. I think with Evolution, their track record and also the disclosure obligations that will unveil itself in the weeks and months ahead. I'll see if James or Sheldon have any other comments, they wish to add.

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James Dendle: Yeah. I'll just reinforce Shaun's point, see them as a tremendous operator and really ran Northparkes very, very well. and many of the operating team are consistent from Rio Tinto (NYSE:RIO) day, [indiscernible] and now on to Evolution with a few changes here and there. But really, there's some similarity in the operating. If you look at Evolution's comments publicly, they're focused on the plan as expected. They point to the size of the mineral inventory. And as a reminder, we're talking about 0.5 billion tonne resource that's currently being chipped away at 7.6 million tonnes per year. So scope to maybe grow that throughput given the size of the mineral endowment. They've also stated a focus on immediate drilling to target near mine mineralization at surface. And also some of the deeper portions of E48. So we think they're looking at it exactly the right way. We've always been convinced that certain exploration it will part very limited. And really was focused on open pitable material. And we think there's tremendous possibility at depth. So I think that reflects quite well with regards to how Evolution is looking at the asset, but we'll see how they go with disclosing their plans over the course of the year.

Cosmos Chiu: Great, thanks.

Shaun Usmar: I'll give you a flavor. Watch the space, there should be more to come.

Cosmos Chiu: Of course, yeah. And maybe as a follow-up, on the MD&A yesterday, you mentioned short term and Northparkes, the growth is coming from E31 and E31 North the open pits. Longer term, it's potentially coming from the E22 underground. Could you maybe help us understand or describe once again, the evolution of the asset, the sort of life of mine of the open pits and what needs to be done in terms of the underground and then just kind of wrap it all together for us quickly, if possible.

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Shaun Usmar: Sure. James, do you want to add?

James Dendle: Yeah, sure. And this is good refresh. If you think about Northparkes historically, it was a series of relatively small open pits targeting coal mineralization more or less surface back in the mid-90s over time, those pits have been developed. And of course, at the time it was North and Rio Tinto discovered the deeper porphyry system beneath the pits. And the mine has transitioned progressively from shallow open pits to very sophisticated block cave. And new mines a series of block caves predominantly in a number of supplementary open pits. So that's been the history of the mine. There are numerous open pit targets across the property. So we'd expect some contribution of open pit to continue into the future. But as you know, Cos, the real sustained growth is from the development of E22. And when you look at E22, we're talking about a grade that's quite in excess from a gold point of view versus the current a mine grade, so 0.37 grams a tonne. So that provides for a longer period of increased gold output. The open pit E31 are by design relatively small and relatively short-lived. So they'll provide production this year and into the next part of 2025. But really, the set of sustained gold output is from E22, which is an important development that I know Evolution is also focused

Shaun Usmar: Just to James' comment, I think part of the thesis we had, which you sort of alluded to when we did the transaction because we made sure that we had full exposure to the over 1,000 square kilometers of land package. And if you recall, the surface manifestation of those reserves are only on 26 square kilometers, that 0.5 billion tonnes or so with really the opportunity to find more sort of undiscovered material at depth. And even since we've owned this, which has not been a long time, they've been very successful with limited drilling to date and uncovering that. So very excited to see what Evolution can do. And when you have acquired mine, I'm sure you have lots of time in the reporting season, but go back and look, I was CFO, Barrick, when they're quite Cowal as a case study, it's just down the road. It's a very impressive track record of adding substantial value and unlocking value, which I think they're well positioned to do with this mineral endowment yet.

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Cosmos Chiu: Great. Thanks, again, Shaun and James and Sheldon. Those are my questions. Thanks, once again.

Shaun Usmar: That’s great. Thanks, Cos.

Operator: [Operator Instructions] And we will take our next question from Anne Jakusconek with Scotiabank (TSX:BNS). Your line is open.

Tanya Jakusconek: Everyone. I think that's me Tanya, it’s not Anne. But good to be Anne today. Question for Sheldon first and then over to you, Shaun, on just the transaction environment. Sheldon, I was a bit surprised about the G&A levels this year. And I thought we were going to start to see some of the synergies from the Maverix transaction on some of the G&A. Would you be able to just talk to us a little bit about how you see your G&A going out? I was just a bit surprised I thought we'd see a bit of synergies.

Sheldon Vanderkooy: Yeah, Tanya thanks. And when you saw with the gene, are you talking like the 2023 or the guidance going forward in?

Tanya Jakusconek: Guide, yeah guidance. I didn't really expect it to Sheldon in 2023. I thought we would start seeing it in '24 and beyond.

Sheldon Vanderkooy: Yeah. So first, we actually have completely delivered the $7 million in synergies. And you can kind of get there just by looking at the executive team spend at Maverix, the board costs coming down, audit insurance office space, So that $7 million has been fully realized. There's a couple of impacts you're going to see as we go forward. So remember, historically, we're a private company. We went to the public on the TSX and we also started to experience the New York listing costs. So there's additional costs in that regard, and that has D&O costs as well as just other compliance costs. And we also became subject to SOX this year. So you'll see our audit report looks a little different. We're actually fully compliant with SOX in 2023. That's an accomplishment for the team, but it also involves additional costs and expenses. The other thing is the -- some of the noncash equity compensation from accounting point of view gets treated, gets moved in over a number of years and you end up with a catch-up effect there. But I think we're really coming off to really what our run rate is on the G&A front. And even after we grow the portfolio, we wouldn't expect the G&A to have to grow accordingly. We'll get that gearing effect and just be able to leverage the platform.

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Tanya Jakusconek: Okay. So we should be thinking of this level going forward?

Sheldon Vanderkooy: Yeah, that's right.

Tanya Jakusconek: Okay. Thank you for that, Sheldon. I wanted to just talk a little bit about the transaction environment, if I could. And just what are you seeing out there? And size wise, this morning, we've had Newmont put eight assets on the block. So I just wanted to talk about could you see yourself participate, obviously, in those asset sales. Some are in Ghana, some are in Australia, some are in the U.S., Canada, just your thoughts on this environment and your opportunities.

Shaun Usmar: Yeah. Tanya, it's kind of interesting if you zoom back -- well, I guess the first answer to your direct question is yes, the power and indeed, the appetite. So if there is a sensible partnership, we'd obviously look to do that. The deal environment when I step back and I look at some of the issuers reporting just this period, I'm not saying it's necessarily 2014, which was a very interesting period for the sector to deploy meaningful amounts of capital. But it's starting to feel a little like that. I think we're seeing a number of sectors coming under pressure from a liquidity point of view, some very big issuers who have seen substantial declines in pricing. I'm not talking precious, of course, but polymetallics and others. And it does feel to me with the equity capital markets being not the most supportive to the sector and valuations coming under pressure that, I think the opportunity set on these is actually growing. It's growing in a way that absent some magical rebounds in the traditional markets, I think, is setting up well for the sector as a whole. We've had multiple site visits already this year. We're seeing advanced in some cases, bilateral opportunities, which we may or may not convert on in the sort of tens of millions to sort of hundreds of millions of dollars. And so that's, I'd say, what's on the menu directly. But even in the last 24 hours, I've had direct inbounds on situations that I think are being made possible by the environment I just described. So the only caveat you would have heard me say, even a year ago, where we were bilateral and some very large transactions is that I think there's -- with opportunity comes responsibility. And I think it's a great environment for us to be receiving interesting the flow of opportunity. But we also are very cognizant of just the overall liquidity risk in this rate environment. And we're spending a disproportionate amount of time on what happens when things inevitably don't go to script. So that analysis beyond just the simple IRRs and the table stakes that you would normally expect from us. I think we've amped that up. So I don't know if that answers it, but we're seeing a lot right now.

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Tanya Jakusconek: And what would the size range be? And what would be sort of the upper end of what you would be comfortable to do with your balance sheet?

Shaun Usmar: I mean, there are some, I would say, hard to sort of predict probabilities, but some that are in excess of our financing capability, where we perhaps be looking at partnerships. But we are seeing several -- as I say, in the good return sort of multiple hundreds -- tens of millions to sort of $100 million to $300 million type stack bracket, which for us is pretty easily financeable.

Tanya Jakusconek: Yeah. Something over $500 million, we could see you do. That would be more -- go ahead.

Shaun Usmar: I mean, as you'd appreciate, Tanya, the guys on this call have a lot of shares in this company. And I think that the very idea of like incurring dilution for the heck of it isn't a great idea. You'd have to have something super interesting of scale. And if there was sort of almost a generational opportunity, you'd obviously think long and hard about that. . But you think in our eight -year history, it is the gram of opportunities. The largest actual just pure precious streaming opportunity with Northparkes. And we could do Northparkes today again, with our capability with the additional cash generation that comes in. So could we see things bigger I'm sure we could, and we just haven't seen one in the last eight years. No one gets brought to book.

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Tanya Jakusconek: Okay. Great. Thank you so much.

Shaun Usmar: Yeah. Thank you.

Operator: [Operator Instructions] And we have no further questions at this time. So I will now turn the call back to Mr. Shaun Usmar for closing remarks.

Shaun Usmar: Thank you. I think the questions we've got quality over quantity, which is wonderful. And I think there's -- it's probably a reflection of, I think, what should be straightforward and a good set of results. I'll end by just saying thanks again to my team, our Board, our partners and our investors for their trust. I think it's been a great year. I think when you step back and consider the outlook we've just provided and you consider it in the context of the sector, I think it should show quite well. And I'm truly appreciative of the platform that we have. It's simple. We've got a -- the growth that we've delivered, I think, should be planning for everyone to see over eight years now. And we've got a lot of firepower, like $50 million of debt basically on the balance sheet at this stage. And a cash run rate of trailing at about $160 million. We’re extremely well positioned, and I’m excited for what lies ahead. So thank you very much. I wish you well for the rest of the day, and that’s it. Thanks, Abby.

Operator: Thank you. And ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. And we thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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