Earnings call: FLEX LNG achieved revenues of $84.7 million

FLEX LNG (FLNG (OL:FLNG)), the world's largest listed LNG shipping company, has released its second-quarter financial results. The CEO, Oystein Kalleklev, announced that the company achieved revenues of $84.7 million, in line with expectations, and reported a net income of $21.8 million. The adjusted net income stood at $30.4 million. The company boasts a strong cash balance of $370 million and has declared a quarterly dividend of $0.75 per share. FLEX LNG has secured 100% charter coverage for the remainder of the year and is optimistic about revenue and earnings growth in the coming quarters, fueled by a healthy backlog and a robust financial position.

Key Takeaways

• FLEX LNG reported Q2 revenues of $84.7 million, with a net income of $21.8 million and an adjusted net income of $30.4 million.
• The company has a cash balance of $370 million and paid dividends totaling $40 million.
• A 10-month charter was secured for one ship, ensuring full charter coverage for the year.
• A quarterly dividend of $0.75 per share was declared, with a trailing 12-month total of $3.125 per share.
• FLEX LNG has completed balance sheet optimization and refinancing, securing $430 million in new financing.
• The company expects to conclude refinancing transactions in Q4, potentially freeing up $97 million.
• Market conditions are expected to improve with the phase-out of older steam ships and the completion of new projects.
• Despite a moratorium on U.S. export licenses, the company contracted 48 million tons in long-term offtake agreements in H1.
• The company is well-positioned for expected market growth from 2026 onwards.

Company Outlook

• FLEX LNG anticipates revenues and earnings to increase in Q3 and Q4 due to a healthy backlog and strong financial position.
• The company is well-prepared for market growth from 2026, with a focus on disciplined growth through consolidation.
• FLEX LNG is in discussions to convert a term loan tranche to a revolving credit facility to maintain a $400 million bullet capacity.

Bearish Highlights

• The LNG market saw muted growth in the quarter.
• The Panama Canal's booking schedule is not optimal for LNG trade, prompting some players to prefer routes like the Cape of Good Hope.

Bullish Highlights

• The phase-out of older steam ships is likely to improve market conditions.
• The company expects the conflict between Ukraine and Russia to lead to increased LNG loadings.
• Long-term offtake agreements remain active despite the U.S. moratorium on export licenses.

Misses

• The company did not discuss any significant misses or underperformance in the earnings call.

Q&A Highlights

• The impact of the EU ETS on ships trading into Europe was discussed, noting that costs can be passed on to consumers.
• The U.S. elections could affect the lifting of the LNG permit moratorium, with a quicker resolution expected if Trump wins.
• Growth in the fleet is anticipated through consolidation rather than new orders.

FLEX LNG's second-quarter results reflect a stable operational performance and a strategic focus on financial health and market positioning. The company's proactive measures in securing charters, optimizing its balance sheet, and preparing for future market conditions demonstrate a comprehensive approach to navigating the evolving LNG shipping landscape. With a strong cash balance, a commitment to shareholder returns through consistent dividends, and a clear outlook for growth, FLEX LNG appears poised to capitalize on the opportunities that lie ahead in the global LNG market.

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Full transcript - FLEX LNG Ltd (FLNG) Q2 2024:

Oystein Kalleklev: Hi, everybody, and welcome to FLEX LNG's Second Quarter Result Presentation. It's August 14. And I'm Oystein Kalleklev, CEO of FLEX LNG management. And I will be joined here as usual by our CFO, Knut Traaholt, who will run you through the numbers a bit later in the presentation. Before we begin, just want to highlight, we will do our presentation, and followed by our Q&A session, where the best question today can win a summer pack, consisting of the Just Flex (NASDAQ:FLEX) It T-shirt. We are already preparing for Oslo Marathon in September. I might be on Gastech and not able to attend this year, but Knut will run this year, he promised me. FLEX on the beach sandals, and then of course the FLEX cap. So, before we then start the presentation, I just remind you that we will be providing some forward-looking statements. So, there are limited details, and we will be using some non-GAAP measures. So, please also read the earning support together with the presentation. Yes. Let's kick off with the highlights, revenues for the quarter $84.7 million, which was in line with what we said, close to $85 million was our guidance. This resulted in net income and adjusted net income of $21.8 million and $30.4 million respectively. Just a reminder, the difference here is in adjusted net income, we only include the realized gains and losses on derivatives, while in the net income figure we are also including unrealized numbers. So, earnings per share came in at a healthy $0.41 or $0.56 on adjusted basis. Of the major recent events, we also touched upon this in our earnings report back in May. We have fixed one ship on our 10 months charter. So, we had, as some of you might recall, we had Flex Constellation being redelivered back from our three-year firm charter, end of Q1 last year. And we then decided to take it in dock early, as this is our low period of the market. We completed the dock here according to plan and budget, and took it back in the market in the middle of April, where we traded spot for a while. We managed to get our cool down slots, so we could get the ship back in cool condition, and then after our spot voyage, we fixed on this 10 months charter with a large Asian LNG buyer. Redelivery then is end of Q1 2025, but where the charter has the option to extend this time charter by one year to 2026. So, that means we are fully covered, 100% charter cover for the remainder of the year, also a very high coverage going forward, as I also will touch upon a bit later in the presentation. As some of you also recall, we have been doing an extensive balance optimization phase for some time, and we had one phase, where our aim was $100 million, we did our balance sheet optimization 2.0 and then 2.1, and correct me if I'm mistaken, Knut, I think we raised $387 million on those refinancing, and we actually have a very good financing situation. But you know, we are not idling because of a good financial structure. We try to optimize and find better terms. As I said in the Q1 presentation, we had the extension of FLEX endeavor from 2030 to 2032. And with that attractive backlog on that ship, we were able to secure our very attractive Japanese operating lease on that company, and we also amended our bank loan, and we have thus secured $430 million of new financing with our net proceeds from this financing of $97 million, which Knut will tell you more about. During this quarter, Q2 is more or less always the softest quarter we tried to plan our drydockings during this quarter. So, we had FLEX Constellation as I mentioned in dock, and Flex Courageous also taken out from a TC out of operation in dock and back on TC. Both ships were done at 17 days each, three days below our guidance of 20 days. Cost of docking around $5 million according also to our budget. That means we do expect revenues and earnings to pick up in Q3. We have all the ships back in operation. Two ships were out of the market for some time in Q2. So, with all ships back in operation, somewhat better spot market affecting the one ship on variable hire, we do expect revenues to pick up to around $90 million. Time charter equivalent earnings also increased a bit, and the same then goes with EBITDA as most of our costs are fixed in the short-term. So, with our very healthy backlog, which I will touch upon very strong financial position, good outlook, once again we are declaring $0.75 of quarterly dividend, dividend last 12 months is $3.125 per share implying a running yield of around 12%. So, just a reminder here on the guidance, we guided between 70,000, 75,000 on the TC rate delivered in the middle of that with their level spot on the revenues we said close to $85 million, $84.7 million is as close as you get to $85 million. And then, adjusted EBITDA, we said close to 63.2, a bit lower because OpEx is slightly higher in Q2 than Q1 due to timing effects that Knut will tell you more about. And then, as I said, we expect higher revenues and earnings for Q3 and probably, usually Q4 is the strongest quarter for us. We have one ship on index linked to the spot market and Q4 tend to be the high season in the spot market. As mentioned, the drydockings we had scheduled for this quarter was completed according to both plan and budget. I mentioned the backlog, so there's been one change from recently. We have some core ships on very long duration charters, Flex Rainbow 2033. We recently extended Flex Endeavour from 2030 to 2032. The charter has the option to extend to 2033 and we utilized that kind of added backlog on that ship to refinance the ship on better terms. Vigilant last year extended to 2031 with option is to 2033 and then we have two ships to 29, we have the Flex Freedom to 27 with option 29 Resolute and Courageous, we announced in Q1 that those two ships were extended from 25 to 27 as expectation and we do expect these ships also to be declared until 29. Due to the contract structure of these ships where you have a front-loaded firm rate compared to the option rate which you will also find more details about in running support where the remaining ships in our portfolio have a higher about 18% higher option rate though this doesn't apply for these two ships and it has a bit revenue recognition effect, although not a cash flow effect. Flex Volunteer and Aurora 2026 with Option 228, then we have Flex Ranger fully open 27 and then, as I mentioned, Constellation fixed now until end of Q1 '25, where the charter has the option to keep on until end of Q1 '26. So, that's our first fully open ship with Ranger coming back of that in '27, then we have some ships in '28, '29, which we think is a very good window of having ships open. For reasons, I will explain a bit later in the presentation. Then the last ship, Flex Artemis is on a variable higher index charter, where it's linked to the spot market, where typically revenues are highest in Q4 and then Q1, Q3 tend to be a bit similar, and Q2 being the softest quarter. Here the charter has the option to keep that ship until 2030. So, with the healthy backlog, a high level of income visibility, 47 years of firm backlog, which may go to 66 years is, we have a fairly predictable cash flow. Last three years now we paid out $528 million of dividends, consisting of the ordinary dividends, $0.75 per quarter, plus some special dividends in the past. We're topping those dividends up. And as we have said and touched upon a lot of times in the past that the dividend decision factors not going to go into too much details the change we have had, we upgraded market outlook for reasons I will tell in the market section. Spot rates are up, but that's not really the driver here. It's really the fact that term rates have been picking up where we take this back to green as I said in last presentation we were intending to have the color yellow also in Q4 '23 when we reported in February. But we got a bit colorblind by all the green lights and forgot to do it. But we're upgrading this again to green, so green colors on most of the decision factors in terms of the dividend and $0.75 once again declared bringing the trailing 12 months dividends to trade all at 125. And then, I think I hand it over to you Knut on the financials.

Knut Traaholt: Thank you, Oystein. Revenues for the quarter came in at $84.7 million slightly down from the first quarter, but as explained by Oystein this is due to the seasonal lower period impacting the variable higher contract for Flex Artemis and also the spot operations for Flex Constellation. In addition, we had a fewer operating days as we had a number of ships in drydocking reduce resulting in an offhire. That returns into a time charter equivalent per day of 72,400 and if you look at the vessel OpEx as we commented on the Q1 presentation we were a bit low compared to budget, but that is timing effects of our expenses. So, we're slightly higher this quarter, but please note the full six months average of 14,600 and we are in that sense in line with our budget. When we look at net income, net income at $21.800 million that is $0.41 per share, in the report, you will see that we had realized gains from a derivative portfolio of $6.8 million and we had unrealized losses of $3.4 million. In the adjusted numbers, we adjust out the unrealized gains and losses. So, for this quarter, the $3.4 million and also the slight FX gain. And then, we also add back the cash gains that we realized on the amendment of an interest rate derivative swap in April. As announced in the first quarter presentation, we reduced the duration of two swaps, one for Q1 and one for the second quarter, and that's adjusted into the numbers. So, we get an adjusted net income of $30.4 million or $0.56 per share. Looking at our cash balance, we're at $38 million from operations and $9 million of change in networking capital; we reduced our debt by $27 million in scheduled installments, and here also the cash from determination of the swap and then paid dividends of $40 million. That ends up with the cash balance at the end of the quarter $370 million and as we note here as the mentioned refinancings are expected to be concluded in the second-half of the year, we will free up $97 million and I'll come back to the refinancing a bit later. On our derivative portfolio, we have reduced the duration of it, maintained the short-term high coverage which is in line with our expectations of the long-term interest rate development. When we now add a Japanese operating lease, we will also have a fixed rate element of that and in August we also amended a so-called mirror swap structure where we now have added $100 million and used the positive value from the mirror swap structure to reduce the fixed rate interest rate and as you see there, it's six years starting in 2026 at attractive 82.5 basis points. On the refinancing, they started off with a new contract or the extension of the Flex Endeavour contract which made sure attractive for a lease financing, in particular this JOLCO financing structures. We have raised $160 million for that. It's at near about 10 years lease financings. And that will release about $48.5 million. This is a structure where we have a fix rate element and a floating rate element. And on a blended basis, we have a long margin here of about SOFR plus 130 basis points, which is very attractive. On the back of that, we are then refinancing the two remaining vessels of the old $375 million facility. We are extending the duration and also increasing the leverage somewhat. That will release $48 million. As you see, we are matching the terms of the recent $290 million facility where we have now a margin of SOFR plus 185 basis points. In total, this will release $97 million. And, we expect to conclude these transactions in Q4. If we look at debt maturity profile, we see that we are now prematurely addressing our 2028 maturities. We are pushing them now. So, we have remaining maturity in '28 of $103 million, and then, spreading out the remaining maturities. And with that, I hand it back to you, Oystein.

Oystein Kalleklev: Okay, thank you, Knut. I'll show you the summer kit for your holiday with Madonna. So, okay, let's look at the market. So, this is the overall product market for LNG, quite muted growth in the quarter, up just about 1% year-over-year compared to last year with U.S. being the main growth engine, and also solidly ahead of Australia and Qatar, 43 million tons in first-half of the year versus 41 million tons and 40 million tons for Australia and Qatar. Interesting to see that despite the conflict in Ukraine and Russia is still going and expect them to go even more. So, now with -- we have seen two loadings on the Arctic LNG 2, the new liquefaction plant where they have been able to source oldest tonnage for this project to do the loadings as we alluded to in our May presentation where we said that we thought that shadow fleet of LNG ships would develop based on the discussion we had with different market actors and interest in the S&P market. So, not really surprising for us to see that, but it's a bit surprising that some people didn't expect this to happen. We had a lot of time to prepare for this. And we are basically following the recipe for petroleum market where they have been successful in keeping oil barrels flowing through friendly nations. Typically, India, China, Brazil, so it's really the BRICS. So, we do think that the Russians will find also willing buyers for these LNG volumes. On the import side, we have mature Asia, being Japan, Korea, Taiwan growing 4%, driven mostly by coal shutdowns and of course lower prices also helps. Europe had a mild winter with high inventories coming out of the season and somewhat muted energy demand. And then, reducing its imports by 20% year-over-year, which means more cargos are flowing again back to Asia. China growing very steadily 10% driven by low prices compared to other feedstocks; India, even more so 25% impressive growth in India; Thailand being growing for a long time now 11% and rest of world also very good growth 28%. So, we do see more shifts of cargos to Asia, which I will come back to shortly. If you look at it graphically, you will see the U.S. LNG export here going to Europe, which kind of increased dramatically once we had uncertainty with Russia flows to Europe and even more so when you had the invasion, stayed at elevated levels. The energy situation in Europe is more manageable these days. And prices have come down, which is enticing Asian buyers back to the market with now the Asian importers being bigger again than Europe, which used to be the case in the past. As you can see here in European gas demand, year-over-year change, we do see some pickup in industry, but power generation, residential is quite muted. And also gas storage levels at around 85% is quite high compared to the past, the 10-year average solidly ahead of that. And then, as I mentioned, Asia is where we see the growth, which is generally positive for shipping, shipping, flexible cargoes all the way to Asia via Panama is almost, yes, it's about twice the distance than going to Europe, but few LNG ships utilize the Panama Canal. Panama authorities have had discussions with LNG exporters to try to find ways to entice them to use the Panama Canal, but a lot of people are trading rather in the Cape of Good Hope, which means that ton mile goes even more quicker since Suez is not really a feasible route this time. So, if you have a U.S. cargo going from U.S. to Europe, typically rule of thumb, it's about 5,000 nautical miles going to China, 10,000 nautical miles going to China via Cape of Good Hope, 15,500 nautical miles. So, it's really a big driver of ton mileage, which is good for the shipping market, and which is also why shipping market have -- the sentiment has turned in the recent months. So, you do see here on the right hand side, Asian LNG imports is up in the high range of historical demand, and much higher than last year. Recent trend here lately, again about Russia, we have had a somewhat surprising invasion of Ukrainian troops into quite far into Russia, all the way to Kursk, not that far away from Moscow. And these are creating uncertainty about Russian pipeline volumes that going to Europe is still quite a lot. It's also still a lot Ukrainian transit, as you can see here on the left side of the graph, affecting, potential purchasers like Austria, Slovakia, Moldova, and that's been firing up the European gas prices recently, as there's more concern about supply situation. But then we also see a similar response in Asia, Asia also want the LNG, they have been through a heat wave where cool demand has shot up. And we actually see a similar increase than in the JKM, which is the Japan Korea Marker or the Asian spot price. And this really needs to be higher than the European gas price TTF in order to make the cargo economic so that you are willing to take the longer route to Asia rather than just selling the cargo into the European market. Henry Hub prices still at low levels, making this spread between U.S. domestic gas prices and international gas prices very attractive for those people with a contract that can ship the cargo from U.S. to either Europe then or Asia. So, as I mentioned, spot market has also turned up recently, we do follow the seasonal pattern here. So, coming from fairly good levels at the start of the year when we are in the winter season, and then you have the lull in the shoulder months, let's say March, April, where you hit the bottom and then trending upwards right now two stroke, the modern type of LNG ships 80,000-85,000 and the dotted line here represent the future prices, where we do see levels of $130,000-$140,000 in the peak winter season. That's why we also think that our numbers will be the best in Q4 affecting the one spot ship we have. Although levels are lower than we've seen in the past, it's still historically very high levels once you're getting above $100,000 most ship owners with a spot ship is quite happy. But what we have been more, which we think is a more positive sign is the trend up in the term rates. So, for some time now, we have had a soft spot market, which had dragged on the rate curve, where short-term rates been lower than long-term rates. But that has changed. So, while long-term rates, 10 year charters, these are typically for new builds, economics around $95,000 a day, which is needed in order to defend an investment of, let's say $260 million at yard sticker price, plus the lead time typically three and a half, four years, and the kind of financing cost of that kind of lead time. So, five year rates now ticked up slightly ahead of the 10 year rate, which I think bodes well also then for the ships we have coming up in '26, '27, '28, where we can recontract ships, hopefully at better levels, than what we have today and thereby increasing our revenues down the road. In terms of the order book, still it's a quite a lot of new bills for delivery in the near term. This is one of the reason or the main reason why we have taken protection by having a very long backlog in the near term until '26, '27, '28, where we think market condition looks better, because then we've been through this massive order book. Of course, the order book is for two reasons. It's a lot of new projects coming to the market, which needs and requires ships, and then it's the general phase-off out of the older steam ships that are uneconomically, which needs to be replaced, and there are still a lot of these ships, which eventually will be phased out of the market. Positive to see now that with the high prices of new bills and the long lead time, very seldom you see any speculative contracting, the contracts being done are mostly for Qatar for their planned expansion and renewal, and then ADNOC was recently in the market securing quite a few LNG ships for their expansion and renewal project. So, less than 7% of these ships in order, around 350 of those are speculative or open. If you look at the steam ships, we just on the left hand side here, I have like a scatter graph where you will see the redelivery of these steam ships. So, as we said in the past, most of these steam ships were built against 20-25 year charters, back to back, typically with the LNG purchasing contract, and typically these ships were built around 2,000. So, these ships are now coming off or rolling off existing legacy contracts, and we do not expect the vast majority of these ships being able to extend those contracts. So, these ships will be phased out of the market, because they are not economically, because of the inefficiency and the size of these ships. So, here we see older ships being redelivered near term and the age of these ships, and some of these ships are rather old. And then, as I touched upon, we have seen buyers linked to Russia picking up a couple of these ships for their trade in order to lift the volumes from the sanctioned Arctic LNG too. If we look at the right hand side is economics for these ships, given their inefficiency, the rates for these ships are lower than for the modern tonnage. In terms of the product market, despite the moratorium by the White House on U.S. export licenses coming into force in January, we still see a lot of activity in terms of buyers committing to long-term offtake agreements, and even doing so in the U.S., because most buyers feel confident that the moratorium will be lifted, regardless of who will win the election. As there is a lot of projects ready that can create economic value for the country, exports which generate trade surplus, and not really trade surplus in general for the U.S., but at least an improved trade situation, and also jobs. So, we do see people signing up not only to Qatari volumes, but also in U.S. for U.S. projects that are being put in a bit of a limbo right now, but where people are signing up, because they think this moratorium will be lifted, depending a bit on who wins the election either later this year, or probably next year, if the Democrats win. So good to see that the volumes are quite healthy, 48 million tons contracted in the first-half of the year, which is not far off the previous year, despite this moratorium and the duration of these contracts on average 14 years. So, as I mentioned, then, there's a lot of projects in the U.S. ready for being greenlighted once the moratorium is lifted, despite not any U.S. project being sanctioned in the first-half of the year. We saw projects other places, of course, Northfield West in Qatar, 16 million tons, which is why they are contracting more ships. In the United Arab Emirates, the 10 million tons, which we also expected and why ADNOC, Abu Dhabi National Oil Company is out in the market also contracting LNG ships, one project in Canada and one in Oman, bringing the FID volume to 30 million tons in the first-half of the year. And once we get the moratorium lifted, there's a lot of volumes that can be sanctioned very quickly in the U.S. And while we are waiting for this, as I mentioned, these projects are signing up more offtake agreements, which means that once the moratorium is lifted, they are ready to go because they have -- means that once the moratorium is lifted, they are ready to go because they have the required contract coverage to FID those projects. So, that is kind of underpinning the third wave of LNG. We will see a lot of growth in the market from '26, '27, '28, where we have most of our ship open so we can benefit from this growth in the market. We can benefit from the replacement of steam ships and the fact that the term rates today are higher than what we have in our portfolio today. So, we can reprice the portfolio. And as Knut mentioned, interest rates are also on the way down expectations. So, interest expenses is actually our biggest cost component. So, if interest rate drops, that will also be beneficial for free cash flow. So, growth will then come from Qatar and U.S. And I think we are well positioned to capture that growth. So, with that, I think we just summarized the presentation. We delivered numbers according to our guidance, $0.56 of adjusted earnings per share, which is the measure which takes out the unrealized effects of the derivatives. We have secured one new contract for Flex Constellation. We have some new financing that Knut has talked about, which are very attractive in our view. We have done the drydocking schedule for this year. Next year, we will have four ships for drydocking, three in 2026. And then, zero in 2027. So, we have this on a regular basis Every five years, we take the ship out of service. This year, we've been able to do that on 17 days in average. Revenues is expected to pick up in Q3 driven by all ships back in operation, higher spot rate on one ship. And then, we think numbers will be probably better in Q4. We'll come back with the guidance on that when we are reporting in November. And once again, we're declaring an ordinary quarterly dividend of $0.75 per share, giving you $3.12 on a trailing 12-month basis, 12% yield. And we are well covered to pay that dividend with a pro forma cash balance of $467 million, I believe it was. And then, of course, the backlog I showed you earlier today. So, with that, I think we conclude the presentation and Knut might have some questions on his laptop.

A - Knut Traaholt: Yes, thank you all for the questions you have provided. We have a number of them. But maybe start with the market and the sentiment for long-term contracts. Have you seen any change in sentiment or activity? And how do you then view the opportunities for types of Flex Constellation and Flex Ranger?

Oystein Kalleklev: Yes, I think it's easy to say something, but we are a bit data-driven as well. So, we do see that rates have picked up on the term rates. Spot rates, of course, it's not unusual that spot rates pick up. They usually pick up. They bottom out typically March, April, and then they go up. But we do see also term rates picking up. And we are once in a situation where shorter term rates or five year rates are higher than 10-year rates, which is how the market should be in a balanced way. If somebody can commit to taking a ship for five years at the same rate as a 10 year, most people will commit to taking five years rather than 10 years. Typically, people want the discount if they're taking a commitment of 10 years rather than five years. So, we are getting a bit better balance in the market. We do see increased inquiries for term rates. And it's not really surprising because there is this roll off of steam tonnage I've shown earlier today. Steam ships on legacy contracts being rolled off. People don't want to keep those ships. They want to renew them with much more efficient ships. We've shown in the past fuel efficiency per cargo ton lifted on our ships is about 58% better than a steam ship. So, that means that it's not only good economics, it's also good for the environment. So, when people are committing for a five, 10 year charter, they don't want steam technology. They want the new ships. So, we do see more inquiries for that for fleet renewal. And also some of these projects where are now signing up SPA contracts are also starting to look at locking in shipping. So, I think that bodes well for our strategy here trying to fix that window near term where we have seen muted growth of the market in terms of volumes, and then having our ships available ready for the next wave of LNG.

Knut Traaholt: We touched upon in the presentation on the Russian shadow fleet. So, a number of questions here, how do you see that impacting the LNG shipping market, and their ability to grow to a large fleet and how that will impact the global trade?

Oystein Kalleklev: Yes. This is not like a new phenomenon. This is a well-developed situation on the tanker side both the crude tankers and product tankers, but also on the LPG side here, around gases, well with a shadow placed on the VLGC is very big there, we're talking up to 15% of the fleet being in this captive shadow trade. So, for that particular trade, it's Iran-China. On the petroleum products, it's typically Russia, India, China, maybe Brazil. On the crude it could be Venezuela, Iran and then Russia. So, it's a lot of read-through from the other markets. It's basically the same thing happening. Older ships are being taken up by the affiliates with the Russian counterparties and they go into a captive trade. Once that ship goes into that trade, it will never come back to the regular trade. It will stay in that trade. If they have insurance at all, it's with a shady counterparty. And this is a way of the sanctioned party to avoid the sanction and being able to generate revenues on the products. So, it means that you could have some steam tonnage that we thought might be scrapped will go into that trade. But this basically also then to replace those ships that the Russians were trying to buy, a lot of icebreaking Arc 7 ships, which were sanctioned and they are not delivered, so they have to find a way to arrange that logistics without those ships that they contracted. So, it doesn't really affect the net fleet growth because some ships are not being delivered and some ships that we thought would be scrapped, they might go into this trade and we will never be in this kind of trade. Most serious actors will not be in that trade. But it just changed the dynamics because we haven't had the shadow fleet in LNG in the past, but it seems like this is something that will happen now and with a lot of similarities to the tankers and the VLGC side. But it's not good in the sense of you have a lot of ships trading around the world without proper insurance and maybe not proper maintenance, and these ships are old. So, it's a time bomb before one of these ships end up in a situation where you will have spills and ships sinking, breaking, whatever, which will be an environmental catastrophe. It's not that serious on the LNG side because LNG is cooled methane, so if something happens, that gas or the LNG on that ship will heat up, become gas vapor, or basically methane vapor, and it will evaporate. But that is not the case if you look at the crude tankers or the petroleum tankers, then you have a product that's not going to evaporate, but it's going to be landing on somebody's shores.

Knut Traaholt: Then we are transitioning over to more to the trading pattern of the global fleet and a normalization in the Panama Canal operations. But still, most of the ships are trading through the Cape of Good Hope. Do you see any trend back to a normalization with transit to Panama Canal, or continue that the Cape of Good Hope will be the preferred route?

Oystein Kalleklev: I think the booking schedule in Panama is not really always suitable to the LNG's trade. It's very rigid. A lot of things can happen in the market. You book a slot and you have a cargo, suddenly prices moves and you either want to send that cargo somewhere else, or in terms of you ballasting a ship and you -- if you're going in a Pacific Ocean when you're ballasting on that ship, there's really no place to pick up a cargo except for U.S. If you're ballasting from China to the Atlantic, you can pick up a cargo in Australia, you can pick up a cargo in the Middle East, West Africa, so it gives you a lot more optionality to fix that ship on a cargo, while if you go in the Pacific route, you only have just one option. So, the canal authorities have been in dialogue with LNG players to try to find a system that incentivize them to use the canal more, but we still see that people just don't -- they don't like the rigidity and also there are costs associated with using the Panama Canal. If you have a lot of slack in your program, for example, you have a commitment to deliver cargo. You have a natural boil-off, so some of the fuel has sunk cost. So, if you are using the Panama, you're paying them the toll, you go through, you come to China, and then you are waiting for 10-14 days in order to discharge. You will not stop the boil off, so you have to consume that. And then it's not really any cost of going the longer route. You save the Panama fees, and you're just burning the same, basically, amount of LNG. There are some differences there because some ships have equipped re-liq system, we have four ships with a partial re-liq, three ships with the full re-liq. So, if you have those kind of ships, very advanced ships, you can use the Panama, you can go to China, you can idle there, and you can re-liquify part of the boil off, and then get that back to cargo to reduce your fuel. So, really a bit also dependent on the specification of the ship in that trade.

Knut Traaholt: And then a follow-up to that, as we see in more and more cargo going to Asia and also taking the long route through the Panama Canal, and also with the Cape of Good Hope. The ton mile effect of that versus the fleet supply coming over the next --

Oystein Kalleklev: Yes, so, in general, of course, we always like when you have a pull to Asia, especially if you have a pull to Asia with congestion in Panama because, as I mentioned, these numbers in nautical mile, it really drives up the requirement for ships. So, we have seen that now, and lately often if you have ships from U.S. going to Asia not utilizing the Panama, they will typically use the Suez Canal with better weather and shorter route. Today, nobody is using that except for those taking cargo into Egypt with a switch from being a exporter to importer recently, and then to Jordan. Except for that, nobody is using the Suez Canal for transit, except for these two ships linked to Russian buyers for Arctic 2. So, it's positive. We want as much LNG to flow to Asia, in general, because it drives off them. And that's one of the reasons why I would say spot market's been surprisingly good this summer because we didn't really expect that much pull through Asia. And then, on top of that, you have the Suez crisis, which also adds on some extra ton mileage.

Knut Traaholt: Then to Europe, and EU, it -- yes, how do you see that play out for the modern two-strokes versus the steamers and the tri fuels?

Oystein Kalleklev: Yes, I can start with the question. You are more in charge of the implementation on all side for it, but I can just give you some broad ideas. So, of course, for this year, ships trading into Europe will have to buy CO2 carbon permits or basically the ETS for the emissions they are creating. And, of course, this is being implemented over a couple years with a higher threshold, you have to buy -- every year, eventually, this will be 100% of the kind of documented emissions you have on 50% of the trade. So, if you're going from U.S. to Europe, there's two legs in that trade. It's the laden leg, and then it's the ballast back. So, that's why you're getting to 50% because you are 50% in Europe and 50% in U.S., which don't have this EU ETS. So, the price of this EU ETS, of course, is volatile. It can be EUR100 or EUR60. So, you have to measure that kind of emission you are creating, and then it's not offsetting it because it's not a carbon offset, but you have to pay for that permit of the documented CO2. So, that will create a cost of emissions, which I think is the best way of dealing with global warming. If people pay for it, they have a real monetary incentive to do it, much better than having bureaucrats making a lot of rules, and giving out a lot of subsidies. Better put the price on it, and behavior will change. So, we are generally in favor of this. We like our CO2, and we think it should be implemented more world-wide. It will be a competitive advantage for us. As I said, we have our fuel consumption per ton cargo transported, about 58% lower than our steamship. That means the steamships has to buy a lot more of this carbon credits in Europe to -- not offset, but to pay for the permit of emitting. So, there -- first, you have the steamships, they are uneconomically, as I mentioned on the fuel consumption, they are small. And then you have this carbon penalty on top of it. So, generally, we like it. It's good for us. And then Knut here has been in charge with adopting all time charters because this is not our cost, so this is a cost pass-through. We gross up on these taxes. So this is for the charters' account, which has to pass it on to the consumer who eventually pays for this. So, that means all our time charter, under a time charter, the time charter, we get paid a fixed fee. We run the ship, and they will pay for all cost associated with that trade, being Panama Canal, ports, and fuel. So, we guarantee a fuel consumption, and that is what we're allowed to utilize. And then when taxes come on top of it, taxes related to the trade, they will also pay for that, so we implemented that so that we are sending them documents. This is the CO2 we are emitting, this is the CO2 we have to buy, here is the invoice, please either refund us or provide us with those carbon credits so we can hand them over to the EU organ in charge of this. Or do you have something to add then?

Knut Traaholt: No, I think it's -- we are doing the reporting. We are -- and we are passing this on to our charters as long as we are on a time charter basis. Slight geopolitical question, U.S. elections, do you see how that will impact the LNG market? And I assume here, in particular, the permitting process in the U.S.?

Oystein Kalleklev: Yes. Now, I think, of course, if Trump wins it will have the positive effect for LNG, that we think this moratorium will be lifted very quickly. Of course, there's a judge already in Texas who have decided that this is not allowed. So, of course, that decision in a court in Texas don't really will affect this. But I think if Trump wins it will be repelled quite quickly. If Harris wins, it will take some more time. But I think it's -- in any event, it will happen. They kind of put this in, in January, in order to attract more votes from -- kind of green votes. This is a good case for them especially after permitting oil drilling in Alaska, they had to do something. And this looks good on a tweet or whatever. And then, eventually, there is so much gas in the U.S., thus this can create so many jobs, that we do think that reason will prevail, and eventually they will slowly say that, "Okay, you can start issuing permits again." And, of course, there is a lot of pressures from other nations as well to -- on U.S. politicians to allow this, both -- [allieds] (ph) in Europe and Japan are pressing on U.S. politicians to repeal this moratorium, and I think that will happen regardless. And once that happen, a lot of these projects have been filling up with new LNG off-take agreements. So, once it lifted, they are more or less ready to go, and will kick off the next wave of U.S. LNG.

Knut Traaholt: Okay. Then we'll round up a couple of questions on Flex and strategy. And how do you view the outlook for growing the fleet and the company being M&A second-hand tonnage in new billings?

Oystein Kalleklev: I thought you were going to say how to spend it, that's usually a question we get. Okay, now, as we said repeatedly, we are [returning] (ph) ships. The last ship we got delivered was matured it, 2021, Flex Vigilant. So, of course, we are happy to grow, but we have to grow profitable. We're not going to grow just to have a bigger fleet and a bigger revenues, it has to be accretive. It has been hard to find good growth prospects the last couple of years because of the skyrocketing new building prices, going from the low when we purchased the ship at 180-ish to 260, so it's a very big ramp up in prices. Not only have the prices gone up, but also lead time gone out from 2.5 years to certainly four years. And that cost a lot of money when interest rates is about 5%. So, that I just have to repeat what we've said in the past. I think we demonstrated for some time now that we are not going to pay to grow. We're going to do it disciplined. If we find -- right now, I think the order book is already so sizable that we don't really need more orders. And I don't find it that very attractive, 260 million having to wait till 2028, I don't find that attractive compared to paying dividend in this period of time. So, I think we need to -- if we are to grow, it's more natural to do that through consolidation. We are the world's biggest listed LNG shipping company by far. We have a modern fleet; we have a good track record. More or less all the ships -- all the LNG ships in the world, it's about 650 on the water, 350 under construction, that's 1,000 LNG ships. Almost all of them are owned privately. We have 13 ships, JOLCO have 30 ships, Awilco (OTC:AWLCF) has 12 ships. The rest of the ships are in private hands. If you're a private owner, you have a good fleet, you want to go public, cash in, have a better position having a stock rather than a private ownership, you should reach out to us, don't call Morgan Stanley (NYSE:MS) or JPMorgan (NYSE:JPM), they will charge you a hefty fee to take your company public. Rather, call us, and we can maybe consider giving you some share in Flex for the ships you have in your private account.

Knut Traaholt: Then there's a question on balance sheet optimization, and what you can expect going forward? Are there more in the pipeline? I guess I can take it on -- the two financing we are announcing today is basically triggered by the 500-day extension on the contract with Cheniere, and also availability of an attractive financing package in Japan. And concluding that, that means that also then have to address the two other vessels or have the opportunity to address them as they are fairly low-levered, this was the first transaction we did in the balance sheet optimization program for the bank financing. So, they have amortized, and values has also improved with the banking market. So, that concludes those three ships. As you also saw, we had an -- also in discussions with some of the banks to convert a term loan tranche to an RCF, so we maintain our $400 million of bullet or non-amortizing RCF capacity. For a next refinancing, that will most likely be subject to contracts, and the long-term contracts and the availability of attractive financing. We are very pleased with the package we have today. And also, I want to mention that with the JOLCO, we are introducing a new bank to us, which we are very pleased with working with in this process and look forward to expand business with as well. So, for now, we are able trigger for more re-financing is probably a new contract.

Oystein Kalleklev: Yes, I think it has to be interest rate derivatives optimization, which is next. Now, we have run through -- we were way ahead of Fed. We started doing a lot of swaps early-'21-'22, when rates were low, well ahead of a year before fed started to hike rates. That trade have generated $127 million of profits since 2021, we have monetized and crystallized most of it. I believe balance sheet now is around $35 million of unrealized gains, so $127 million. So, most of the gains have been realized and crystallized. Rates are now picking down again. We have plenty of trading limit. So, we will be opportunistic to here to see if there are levels which are attractive to lock in our hedge ratio. We have been anticipating a pivot from fed, peaking our hedge ratio in Q2. Long-term interest rate have fallen a lot since the employment figure in U.S., one-and-a-half, two weeks ago. So, we will monitor that development and see if there are opportunities to hedge rates at attractive levels, as they have been going down quite a lot recently. And typically, we try to use windows where there are distress in the market, like when Silicon Valley Bank collapsed, to secure good terms for our shareholders.

Knut Traaholt: That concludes the Q&A, and announcement of who wins the Flex kit.

Oystein Kalleklev: Yes. You can have a look at the names.

Knut Traaholt: We have one very active shareholder, investor asking questions, and it's a number of questions reaching all of the topics, and it's [indiscernible].

Oystein Kalleklev: Okay, [indiscernible], then you will have the Flex LNG kit. Before concluding then just want, again, thanks to the technical team and our crews who have done fantastic -- once again a fantastic drydocking of Constellation and Courageous. It's the sixth drydocking we have done now the last two years -- or actually one-half year, all according to time and budget. So, we are very happy with that, very high technical quality on our team. And then, we will be back in November with our Q3 numbers, which we have guided today. So, we don't expect any surprise in November. And in the meantime, you can enjoy the $0.75 per share of dividends, which I think will be available at the end of the month. Okay. Thank you everybody for listening in.

Oystein Kalleklev: Thank you.

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